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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 9840071" data-attributes="member: 42582">Upthread, before I'd actually played Mythic Bastionland, I made these posts about it:After having played it, I made these posts (on another active thread):In this post I want to say a bit about how these "before" and "after" thoughts fit together.It was the players' need for information that drove the gamist play. This information is obtained by searching hexes - that's the hex crawl aspect - and by talking to NPCs (including Seers). Probably the best-known information-driven gamist play is CoC mystery-solving. Mythic Bastionland isn't clue-driven in the same way, or at least wasn't in my game. The Wilderness event table throws up Omens without the players needing to do anything special to find/generate them. Interpreting the Omens is, as I posted upthread, a bit like the Signs of the Gods in Agon 2e. But the pre-authored structures - the map structures, which include definite locations for Dwellings, Holding, Seers, Monuments etc (all important for recovery), and also the Omen sequences (set out in the book for each Myth) - put constraints the players have to work out and work within. Which is what creates the parameters for gamism.The difference from classic D&D is that the goal is not acquiring treasure. And the difference from CoC is that the goal is not solving a mystery. At least for the Myth that ended up being the focus in my session - The Mountain - the culmination of the information was making a choice about how to relate to the Myth.Because Glory is obtained by resolving the Myth - whatever that looks like - the gamist orientation seems to drop away at that moment of climax. It's pretty interesting, I think. It reminds me a little bit of Agon 2e. And also a little bit of <a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/the-green-knight-frpg.680475/" target="_blank">the Green Knight RPG</a> - the mechanics are different from both of these, but the gamism driving towards the need to make a thematic choice at the end is a bit similar.</blockquote>

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