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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 8003755" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>Aye, may well be, but the 3PP stuff I'd seen so far very much wasn't. I mean monsters, sure, lots of good stuff, magic items, again, sure, but in both cases it's pretty much "as good" as WotC, and you can't get that much "better" in either case. Whereas all the races and subclasses I'd seen from 3PPs, including stuff people liked were between slightly worse (i.e. generally good but maybe screwing up a couple of conventions) and outright terrible (wildly overpowered or underpowered, abilities that are straight-up broken in either direction, abilities so badly worded the DM has to make up what they do, and so on). Whereas Dragonlords is just really shockingly solid - and indeed, it's better, I would say, than Theros, by a long margin in the race/subclass stakes.</p><p></p><p>But I will read the monsters later, and hopefully Theros excels there.</p><p></p><p>Also let's be real, I really like the Eloquence Bard. They're not as beautifully worked-in to an Greek Myth setting as the Dragonlords Bard subclass, but they're a really good Bard subclass. And Satyrs are a little dull (no music/dance-related abilities?!? Reveler isn't an ability, but at least they get two skills and an instrument, even if one of the skill is Performance, unlike the one skill most of the Theros races get, comparing poorly to the two a lot of PHB etc. races get), but +CHA and Magic Resistance, in 5E? Uhhhhh you're going to see a lot of these guys all of a sudden. Especially as they seem a cheery race and have an incredible art piece (one of my favourite in any 5E book).</p><p></p><p>Also the Supernatural Gifts seem pretty great, and compare well with Dragonlords' Fated Destinies or whatever they're called. The art for Lifelong Companion was also delightful. I'm sure Patroclus can relate.</p><p></p><p>I know the art here is mostly drawn from MtG, but it is absolutely great.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 8003755, member: 18"] Aye, may well be, but the 3PP stuff I'd seen so far very much wasn't. I mean monsters, sure, lots of good stuff, magic items, again, sure, but in both cases it's pretty much "as good" as WotC, and you can't get that much "better" in either case. Whereas all the races and subclasses I'd seen from 3PPs, including stuff people liked were between slightly worse (i.e. generally good but maybe screwing up a couple of conventions) and outright terrible (wildly overpowered or underpowered, abilities that are straight-up broken in either direction, abilities so badly worded the DM has to make up what they do, and so on). Whereas Dragonlords is just really shockingly solid - and indeed, it's better, I would say, than Theros, by a long margin in the race/subclass stakes. But I will read the monsters later, and hopefully Theros excels there. Also let's be real, I really like the Eloquence Bard. They're not as beautifully worked-in to an Greek Myth setting as the Dragonlords Bard subclass, but they're a really good Bard subclass. And Satyrs are a little dull (no music/dance-related abilities?!? Reveler isn't an ability, but at least they get two skills and an instrument, even if one of the skill is Performance, unlike the one skill most of the Theros races get, comparing poorly to the two a lot of PHB etc. races get), but +CHA and Magic Resistance, in 5E? Uhhhhh you're going to see a lot of these guys all of a sudden. Especially as they seem a cheery race and have an incredible art piece (one of my favourite in any 5E book). Also the Supernatural Gifts seem pretty great, and compare well with Dragonlords' Fated Destinies or whatever they're called. The art for Lifelong Companion was also delightful. I'm sure Patroclus can relate. I know the art here is mostly drawn from MtG, but it is absolutely great. [/QUOTE]
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