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<blockquote data-quote="Kobold Stew" data-source="post: 7738317" data-attributes="member: 23484"><p>I don't think that's a thing. IF you want evidence of his wisdom in the Iliad, check his discussion with Priam in book 24. He provides the most meaningful description (within the poem) of how fate works, and how human and divine existence operates.</p><p></p><p></p><p>In the <em>Iliad</em> Achilles is the least impulsive person of all the Greeks. Diomedes (book 5 [attacking the gods]) is impulsive. So is Patroclus (books 15-16 [not sticking to the plan, going to the walls]), and Odysseus (Odyssey 8 [throwing the discus], 9 [telling Polyphemus his name], 10 [spending time with Circe], 11 [stupid underworld boasts], 13 [accusing Athena of abandoning him]). </p><p></p><p>In <em>Iliad</em> 1, he is about to initiate combat (in the process of drawing his sword) but he checks himself (after Athena pulls his hair). He then uses insults instead of combat, and withdraws from fighting, before making a very deliberate decision to return. </p><p></p><p>But this still misses the larger point: if you are keeping the invulnerability, it's not Homer's Achilles. If it's not Homer's Achilles but only your feelings about Achilles as known through the ages, then you're cherry-picking from over a thousand years of material.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Kobold Stew, post: 7738317, member: 23484"] I don't think that's a thing. IF you want evidence of his wisdom in the Iliad, check his discussion with Priam in book 24. He provides the most meaningful description (within the poem) of how fate works, and how human and divine existence operates. In the [I]Iliad[/I] Achilles is the least impulsive person of all the Greeks. Diomedes (book 5 [attacking the gods]) is impulsive. So is Patroclus (books 15-16 [not sticking to the plan, going to the walls]), and Odysseus (Odyssey 8 [throwing the discus], 9 [telling Polyphemus his name], 10 [spending time with Circe], 11 [stupid underworld boasts], 13 [accusing Athena of abandoning him]). In [I]Iliad[/I] 1, he is about to initiate combat (in the process of drawing his sword) but he checks himself (after Athena pulls his hair). He then uses insults instead of combat, and withdraws from fighting, before making a very deliberate decision to return. But this still misses the larger point: if you are keeping the invulnerability, it's not Homer's Achilles. If it's not Homer's Achilles but only your feelings about Achilles as known through the ages, then you're cherry-picking from over a thousand years of material. [/QUOTE]
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