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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jay Verkuilen" data-source="post: 7761784" data-attributes="member: 6873517">I totally agree Gandalf should be an NPC. Whether the five levels of caster would work... not sure. It's just really important to note that many things that are considered not at all exceptional in D&D magic are non-existent in Middle Earth. Fast travel, for instance, is very rare. The rest of the Fellowship are tolerably well modeled by D&D stats but Gandalf is just on a different level. Over on Cubicle 7's AIME forum someone worked out the numbers for Legolas and Gimli's orc-killing contest at Helm's Deep and they come out as being around 12th to 14th level fighters as I recall. Boromir is also around there in terms of his described deeds. Recall he single-handedly kills a pretty large number of orcs defending the hobbits before he gets killed himself right after he attempts to take the Ring from Frodo at Parth Galen. That made sense to me. They are all clearly pretty nasty combatants and the respective heroes of their peoples. Aragorn is a bit more challenging but he too comes out more or less in that range, maybe a bit higher than the others. The hobbits start out lower level, but certainly Merry and Pippin are both capable warriors by the end of the story. Keep in mind that these levels are assuming a general lack of force multipliers like area effect death or other control magic, which is nearly completely absent in most tales. Control magic makes a huge difference.</blockquote>

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