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<blockquote data-quote="Jacob" data-source="post: 5387680" data-attributes="member: 98644">I like what has been said already, but I feel it needed to note all the same. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> It's not cheap for an NPC to have plenty of magic up its sleeve to disguise their true intentions, making their Bluff, Disguise, Diplomacy and all other checks high. In fact, you should have them there in order to manipulate the PCs who believe they have found a trustworthy NPC. Ring of Mind Shielding comes to mind, which blocks detect thoughts, discern lies, and alignment checking.What is cheap is a perfect defense of disguising your intentions. No matter how high your bonus is, if you should roll a Nat 1, you fail. If the PCs roll a Nat 20 against your high bonus, they still win no matter the number (though variant rules are popular). No matter what you do, you will be found out eventually should they stick around long enough.Don't think of this as a setback, but as a boon: the players are rewarded for their incredible luck (and high ranks) by discovering someone of incredible power slipped in some means. what happens next is up to the PCs. Do the PCs call the corrupter out on the spot, who then chases the PCs to keep them silent? Or do they hold their secret and investigate what's going on, and undermine him slowly? A great setup for story.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Jacob, post: 5387680, member: 98644"] I like what has been said already, but I feel it needed to note all the same. ;) It's not cheap for an NPC to have plenty of magic up its sleeve to disguise their true intentions, making their Bluff, Disguise, Diplomacy and all other checks high. In fact, you should have them there in order to manipulate the PCs who believe they have found a trustworthy NPC. Ring of Mind Shielding comes to mind, which blocks detect thoughts, discern lies, and alignment checking. What is cheap is a perfect defense of disguising your intentions. No matter how high your bonus is, if you should roll a Nat 1, you fail. If the PCs roll a Nat 20 against your high bonus, they still win no matter the number (though variant rules are popular). No matter what you do, you will be found out eventually should they stick around long enough. Don't think of this as a setback, but as a boon: the players are rewarded for their incredible luck (and high ranks) by discovering someone of incredible power slipped in some means. what happens next is up to the PCs. Do the PCs call the corrupter out on the spot, who then chases the PCs to keep them silent? Or do they hold their secret and investigate what's going on, and undermine him slowly? A great setup for story. [/QUOTE]

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