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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Forrester" data-source="post: 251101" data-attributes="member: 1279">Furn -- based on what I'm trying to do, you'd design the two fighters for a campaign, not for a one-shot. And then pit them against each other. Now, there'd be a variety of ways to build them, the most notable being Mr. Plate Armor vs Mr. Spring-Attacky Chain Shirt, but in general what I'm looking for is the "average" 9th level guy vs. the "average" 15th level guy using the same philosophy. So a 9th level fighter with the Spring Attack chain vs. a 15th level fighter with the same chain. Or put both in Plate Armor and have them slug away. Exact same point buys (high Con? high Str? High Dex?) and so on.EXAMPLE: A 9th level guy has 36k to spend. Let's make him Plate Armor boy. That's a +2 Longsword (8k), +3 Plate (9k), +2 Shield (4k), Amulet Natural Armor +1 (2k), Ring Prot +1 (2k), Cloak Protection +2 (4k), assorted potions (3k), Gloves Dex +2 (4k) = 35k. And let's say he drinks a Potion of Bull's Strength and a Potion of Endurance before combat, giving him a +2 to Con and +2 to strength. (I'll be nice.) He's got plenty of them to spare, after all. 9th level guy (32 point buy+enhancements): 22Str, 18Con, 12Dex, 10Int, 10Wis, 8Chr15th level guy (32 point buy)21Str, 16Con, 10Dex, 10Int, 10Wis, 8Chr(Yes, the 15th level guy gets a little screwed bcs he's one level short of getting an extra ability point). Let's assume both have WFocus/WSpecialization. I'll give the 15th level fighter a MW sword, bcs I'm nice. 9th level BAB: +18/+1315th level BAB: +22/+17/+129th level Dmg: d8+1015th level Dmg: d8+79th level AC: 2815th level AC: 209th level hp: 90hp15th level hp: 132hpBy my completely unchecked calculations, in a smashee-smashee battle where both just take full attack actions to beat the crap out of each other:The 9th level fighter will do an average of 23.9 damage/round. The 15th level fighter will do an average of 17.25 damage/round. The 9th level fighter will drop (assuming he doesn't drink a Potion of Cure Serious at some point) in 5.2 rounds. The 15th level fighter will drop in 5.5 rounds. Advantage: 15th level fighter. BARELY.. If the 9th level fighter manages to drink a Potion of Cure Serious, or has a more creative magic-item selection, the 15th level fighter is probably screwed. Unless he can do something with his 6th or 7th (or whatever) feats to turn the tide. Unless these are the cheatiest splatbook feats in the world, I'm doubtful. And Mr. 15th level fighter is supposed to be *eight times* as powerful as Mr. 9th level fighter. That's scary.</blockquote>

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