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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hammerhead" data-source="post: 251777" data-attributes="member: 73">What combat options do the9th level guys have?  Sundering a fully equiped 15th level fighter's weapon will be impossible.Grappling provokes an AoO.  If the AoO hits (near certainty), then the grapple attempt is ruined.  Even if it doesn't hit, the contest becomes oppposed STR+base attack+size (probably not relevant).  The higher level fighter will probably have higher STR and will have higher base attack, so he still has an advantage.  The gap isn't as great, true, but it should cover the fact that only a handful of grapple attempts will reach that point.Disarms provoke AoO as well.  Of course, some of the 9th level characters could have improved disarm, but the opposed attack role is still ratehr unlikely.  And locked gauntlets do help.Of all the combat moves a trip attack has the best chance of success, since it's an easy touch attack followed by a STR vs STR test.  Of course, the 9th level fighters will still have serious problems hitting even their prone opponent.  What else are they going to do?  Bull rush?Also, since the cleave and whirlwind chains are very helpful against multiple enemies, the 15th level fighter could easily make better use of his feats.  If he has whirlwind and sunder, he could shatter the weapons of several of his enemies in on fell swoop.  About the only critical item that Forrester's fighter lacks are cloaks of resistence and other save boosters.  Downgrade the amulet of natural armor and the ring of protection by one each and buy a +5 cloak.  The 15th level fighter now has 23k extra instead of 14.  Enough to buy some flight or see invisible items.  Dragon fights are team battles anyway.  If the group is so messed up as to not cast fly and protection from elements (and other neccessary) spells on people without them, then it stands little chance regardless of any particular character's loadout.</blockquote>

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