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Message: <blockquote data-quote="howandwhy99" data-source="post: 6007256" data-attributes="member: 3192">This isn't bad and an easy way to incorporate more diversity back into the game. There were actually a whole lot more save types grouped under the Big 5, but they could still be placed under stats, if you wanted.Saving Throws were for every single different kind of save possible. They weren't grouped together to confuse people. They were simply on different progression tracks for different classes (with racial modifiers) to simplify the numerous saves in the game. This way we didn't need a track for every single one. Five was complex enough without going overboard. When your DM house ruled a new one, he or she simply placed it in the best progression as fit the design.So what the saves were categorized under were Effects. Poison was an effect. So was Paralyzation. That they fell under the same save progression column was incidental. You could actually reassign the quoted ones above as you best see fit for your game.Having many, many, many effects allowed for a very diverse environment that could effect you in many ways. And, of course, this doubled into the magic system, which was the arcane study of creating these effects anyways. Half of Magic-Users game play is finding new effects in the world and saying, "Now how do I do that? ...steal that... borrow that... etc." By allowing for even more effects to be created, and placed under the saving throw progressions, we could have an unlimited game again. This removes the binds of DMs (and player suggestions) from requiring them to fit everything in the preexisting game. My main concern with Saving Throws is they don't progress anymore, so characters don't get better at them as they increase in class levels. This makes environmental equally difficult regardless of level, which isn't necessary. Instead, it's solely one's ability scores, something harder to change, that determine success. I could see one or the other influencing rolls, but I thought separate Saving Throws weren't exactly that complicated to track. Depending upon the final product I might just have to house rule them in for enabling growth out of environments and other reasons.</blockquote>

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