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<blockquote data-quote="Tymophil" data-source="post: 5661298" data-attributes="member: 46923">There is still a difference between D&amp;D4 and other editions : the designers added new layers of complexity and abstraction.Anyway, someone new to roleplay should find some guidelines on the system in the Players Handbook at least. One should get to know how hit points translate into a narration around the table, even if it means that there a several ways to do it. Even the veteran players need to get a feeling of what is different in the new edition. A few lines could have been enough to avoid the bashing D&amp;D4 received.In older editions, HP did not have a &quot;bloodied&quot; level. Adding such a feature is a fine idea, but if it only adds a layer to the system, then the game gets away from roleplay and gets closer to boardgame, unless there are guidelines to make it blend into a story. This is roleplaying game, not a boardgame. Every system must help build a story.This is even more required to make sense of the &quot;healing surge&quot; system. This is a new system, it is very abstract, yet very nice. A few words would be enough for some advices on how to use them in-character.I think you did not understand my concern here. I am fine with people having different takes on the hit point system. I even ask for that on the original post.But, as there are no guidelines, I mean none to blend the system into narration, the rules intrude into the game in a technical way. It is hard to develop any sense of mystery/wonder when one spends a &quot;healing surge&quot;. I need a layer of camouflage to avoid the intrusion of the mechanic into the narration.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Tymophil, post: 5661298, member: 46923"] There is still a difference between D&D4 and other editions : the designers added new layers of complexity and abstraction. Anyway, someone new to roleplay should find some [B]guidelines[/B] on the system in the [I]Players Handbook[/I] at least. One should get to know how hit points translate into a narration around the table, even if it means that there a several ways to do it. Even the veteran players need to get a feeling of what is different in the new edition. A few lines could have been enough to avoid the bashing D&D4 received. In older editions, HP did not have a "bloodied" level. Adding such a feature is a fine idea, but if it only adds a layer to the system, then the game gets away from roleplay and gets closer to boardgame, unless there are [B]guidelines[/B] to make it blend into a story. This is roleplaying game, not a boardgame. Every system must help build a story. This is even more required to make sense of the "healing surge" system. This is a new system, it is very abstract, yet very nice. A few words would be enough for some advices on how to use them [I]in-character[/I]. I think you did not understand my concern here. I am fine with people having different takes on the hit point system. I even ask for that on the original post. But, as there are no guidelines, I mean none to blend the system into narration, the rules intrude into the game in a technical way. It is hard to develop any sense of mystery/wonder when one spends a "healing surge". I need a layer of camouflage to avoid the intrusion of the mechanic into the narration. [/QUOTE]

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