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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 6152926" data-attributes="member: 42582">Hit points have this character: I can choose to have my PC confront a risk (say, a fight with an orc or a jump down a cliff) knowing that s/he can't die from physical injury, whereas my PC can't have the same knowledge.Saving throws can also have this character, although it's less stark. The absence of a saving throw for classic D&D energy drain is one of its notorious features for this very reason: the player really does inhabit the character's space, knowing that there's no chance of escaping the dire fate. Agreed. In a "traditional" game you ask the GM "Is there a flower pot on the windowsill I can throw down at the person climbing up the fire escape?" In a "modern" game you expend a resource or make a die roll to render it true, in the shared fiction, that there's a flower point on the windowsill that you can throw down at the person climbing up the fire escape. Both are the player contributing to the fiction - it's just that one contribution is mediated via the GM's authority, the other is not.In Burning Wheel a player strictly plays one character. But they still have "narrative control" outside that character (eg via Circles or Wises). And Burning Wheel is a paradigm RPG.I don't think that Ahnehnois agrees on that last point.MHRP was cancelled due to licensing issues. There is no evidence that it was an unpopular game that I'm aware of. HeroWars/Quest has a website <a href="http://moondesignpublications.com/product/heroquest-core-rules" target="_blank">here</a> that seems current. A free, lite preview for Maelstrom Storytelling - "Story Bones" - is <a href="http://www.rpgnow.com/product_reviews_info.php?&reviews_id=24406&products_id=81905" target="_blank">available</a> on RPGNow.(I also don't see what's ironic about not being experienced with FATE, but whatever.)D&D 4e isn't that obscure. And it has mechanics lifted from those other games. (And chapters in its DMG2 are cribbed by Laws straight from HeroQuest revised.)I don't think a game like DitV is ever going to be as popular as D&D - it's tropes are a bit particular, apart from anything else. But if Burning Wheel had the marketing and design budget of D&D I think it could make a pretty good fist of things!From my own experience - which is what it is, and nothing more - new players of RPGs expect to be able to contribute to the fiction within which their PCs are located. Learning to sit back and swallow the GM's story takes time and self-discipline.</blockquote>

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