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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 6153360" data-attributes="member: 42582">I have never played with anyone who treats hit points in this way, except perhaps as a comedic diversion a la OotS. Gygax himself explains something quite different in his AD&D rulebooks.I don't want to use any jargon. It's roleplaying - as in, playing an RPG. 4e is an RPG. HeroWars/Quest and Burning Wheel are RPGs. They don't cease to be RPGs just because some of the mechanics are metagame. AD&D doesn't cease to be an RPG just because someone plays hit points as the game author characterised them rather than in the simulationist fashion you have describedYes. I was deliberately contrasting level drain with standard save-granting effects in classic D&D.Can't your hypothesised "physicist" do experiments with wights and vampires? Or, in 3E, with item creation. Work out how much gold has to be collected for someone with a 5% chance to hit plate and shield to increase that to a 10% chance?In other word, what  [MENTION=27160]Balesir[/MENTION] and  [MENTION=6703609]Mike Eagling[/MENTION] said.Personally, just as I've never played with anyone who treats hit points as corresponding to an distinct component of the fiction, I've likewise never met anyone who treated classic D&D XP as anything but metagame (just as Gygax describes it).EDIT:I don't see how it is any more bizarre to know that you can only do X once per 5 minutes, than it is to know that you can be shot by 5 arrows and survive but the 6th will kill you - which is what hp mean, on your characterisation of them.Both are so bizarre relative to the human experience that I treat as the underlying framework for my own games that I can't meaningfully rank them for bizarreness.</blockquote>

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