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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 6155582" data-attributes="member: 42582">Two responses.First, you seem to be looking here at the bravery of the player. That's an interesting issue, but I was wondering about the bravery of the PC. If hp are an ingame reality, then a PC knows his/her hp total, and a PC who goes into fight with single digit hp left is indeed brave - even if the player is quite cavalier about loosing that one and brining another "toon" into play.Whereas if hp are metagame, a PC who goes into combat with low hp could easily, in the fiction, be characterised as happy-go-lucky or overreaching in his/her ambition, even though the player, in playing his/her PC that way, is being quite brave (within the tabletop RPGing context) because (at that table, let's imagine) the costs of losing a PC being quite high (eg you have to start again at 1st level).Also, as [MENTION=27160]Balesir[/MENTION] suggested and as I hinted at in a reply upthread to [MENTION=48965]Imaro[/MENTION], I think you are being too narrow about director's stance. I know that director's stance is utterly compatible with immersion in character, because I have seen it happen. It is in my view a mistake to associate stances, which are certain logical or conceptual modes of play, with emotions or psyhcological states that people might experience while playing. It is possible to play in actor stance yet be completely detatched and unenthuses; or to play in author or director stance and be fully engaged and immersed in the ingame situation and your PC's interests and concerns within it.I don't dispute that these sorts of experiences occur. But they don't make writing a novel any less the construction of a narrative! The novel didn't, in any literal sense, write itself. Likwise for RPGing, it seems to me. Whatever the motivation or causal process, someone who is a reall, flesh-and-blood person had to establish certain propositions ("I'm attacking this hobgoblin; I'm saving that child") as true in the shared fiction.</blockquote>

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