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<blockquote data-quote="Starfox" data-source="post: 6149207" data-attributes="member: 2303">I think making the fighter a lot more powerful in combat is not the way to go - at least not from Pathfinder where fighters are considerably buffed from 3.5. No, what we want is to spread the competence of the different classes across a wider field.Say we say there are the &quot;three legs&quot; of narrative space: Combat, social, exploration. How do the 4 classic classes do in this list? I'll try a ranking on a 1-5 scale (this is pathfinder, and based on my impression)FighterCombat 5Social 2 (Intimidation)Exploration: 1 (armor check penalty)Sum: 8RogueCombat 2Social 4 (skills)Exploration: 4 (skills, class abilities)Sum:10ClericCombat 4Social 3 (Diplomacy, possibly higher with domains)Exploration: 5 (find the path, speak with dead)Sum: 11WizardCombat 4Social 4 (charm)Exploration: 5 (divination)Sum: 13So, even assuming the fighter is actually the best at combat, it is still the least competent overall. And I feel I've rated spellcasters rather low, especially at higher levels. Increasing the fighter's rating in combat might be an option if we feel it is behind other classes in combat (which I feel it isn't), but otherwise it feels a lot more constructive to buff classes where they are weak - that is the social/exploration side of the fighter and the combat side of the rogue.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Starfox, post: 6149207, member: 2303"] I think making the fighter a lot more powerful in combat is not the way to go - at least not from Pathfinder where fighters are considerably buffed from 3.5. No, what we want is to spread the competence of the different classes across a wider field. Say we say there are the "three legs" of narrative space: Combat, social, exploration. How do the 4 classic classes do in this list? I'll try a ranking on a 1-5 scale (this is pathfinder, and based on my impression) Fighter Combat 5 Social 2 (Intimidation) Exploration: 1 (armor check penalty) Sum: 8 Rogue Combat 2 Social 4 (skills) Exploration: 4 (skills, class abilities) Sum:10 Cleric Combat 4 Social 3 (Diplomacy, possibly higher with domains) Exploration: 5 (find the path, speak with dead) Sum: 11 Wizard Combat 4 Social 4 (charm) Exploration: 5 (divination) Sum: 13 So, even assuming the fighter is actually the best at combat, it is still the least competent overall. And I feel I've rated spellcasters rather low, especially at higher levels. Increasing the fighter's rating in combat might be an option if we feel it is behind other classes in combat (which I feel it isn't), but otherwise it feels a lot more constructive to buff classes where they are weak - that is the social/exploration side of the fighter and the combat side of the rogue. [/QUOTE]

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