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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 6150499" data-attributes="member: 87792">The adventures are a decent point.  But part of the point of the Realms is that it has a ridiculous amount of sourcebooks as a part of the world and that it is large and high powered.  That the Greyhawk campaign setting is called explicitely "World of Greyhawk" implies that it covers just about all the movers and shakers.  The very name "Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting" implies that there is a lot more out there - it's simply the part of the Realms you are expected to campaign in.   Now please stop accusing [MENTION=42582]pemerton[/MENTION] of being disingenuous simply because he doesn't make the apples to oranges comparison you would like him to make.And if you want the all-in comparison, as far as I am aware, Greyhawk never had an equivalent to the FR1-16 series, starting with <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterdeep_and_the_North" target="_blank">Waterdeep and the North</a> and ending with <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shining_South" target="_blank">The Shining South</a>.  And in 2e Greyhawk was treated about as kindly as 4e was later to treat the Realms...Me, I'd call "The setting as published, ignoring adventure modules" - which is what Pemerton is taking to be a fair comparison to "The setting as published, ignoring adventure modules" which is what I believe he is taking for the Realms.Why "Released at simmilar times"?  If we do that then we have to drop seven years of Greyhawk because Greyhawk was first published in 1980 and the Realms campaign set in 1987.  As was FR1 - Waterdeep and the North.  And FR2: Moonshae.  In short the Realms (two 96 page books) was always intended to be published with supplements - Greyhawk was not other than a little material in Dragon - and World of Greyhawk is a total of 128 pages (i.e. only about twice as long as Moonshae).And comparing a product that was intended to be standalone (and hence had no immediate expansions) as standalone against one that was released only shortly before its first two expansions that it was intended to be used with is to me the sensible way to do things.</blockquote>

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