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<blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 6150803" data-attributes="member: 87792"><p>Quick question: Is English your first language? Because there are a lot of subtle distinctions in English that are not obvious - and you might have tangled yourself up in one of those. If we look at the Meriam Webster, <a href="http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/insincere" target="_blank">insincere</a> is another way of saying hypocritical. <a href="http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sincere" target="_blank">Sincere</a> on the other hand has, as a first definition, honest. </p><p></p><p>Being sincere is not about whether the statement is actually true. It is about whether someone genuinely believes the statement they are making. If someone genuinely believes that the earth is flat then they are being sincere when they say the earth is flat <em>despite the fact that it is not true.</em> If someone on the other hand believes that the earth is flat and claims that it is round because they will be given money for that <em>that is insincere - </em>it is dishonest and the opposite of what they believe. This is still true despite the fact that the earth is not flat.</p><p></p><p>(Note: According to The American Heritage Dictionary <a href="http://www.thefreedictionary.com/disingenuous" target="_blank">there is some confusion about the meaning of disingenuous and the word may be shifting</a> although your claimed usage is not in line with any standard possibility - but once you accept insincere as an accurate summary you are removing all doubt.)</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That you are accusing [MENTION=42582]pemerton[/MENTION] of <em>not believing what he is saying.</em> Which is entirely different from making a mistake.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That insincere doesn't mean that and disingenuous doesn't mean that. Both mean that the person that is being accused of such <em>doesn't believe what they are saying.</em> There is a huge distinction between lying (someone knows something to be false and is making things up anyway) and mistaken (someone believes something to be true that isn't). You are not, as you think, accusing [MENTION=42582]pemerton[/MENTION] of being mistaken. You are accusing him of knowingly lying. And accusing someone of knowingly lying is a personal attack.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>If you are accusing him of being insincere or disingenuous then either you are accusing him of knowingly lying, in which case you are making a personal attack, or you are not saying what you think you are saying, in which case you owe him an apology. Which is it?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Neonchameleon, post: 6150803, member: 87792"] Quick question: Is English your first language? Because there are a lot of subtle distinctions in English that are not obvious - and you might have tangled yourself up in one of those. If we look at the Meriam Webster, [url=http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/insincere]insincere[/url] is another way of saying hypocritical. [url=http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sincere]Sincere[/url] on the other hand has, as a first definition, honest. Being sincere is not about whether the statement is actually true. It is about whether someone genuinely believes the statement they are making. If someone genuinely believes that the earth is flat then they are being sincere when they say the earth is flat [I]despite the fact that it is not true.[/I] If someone on the other hand believes that the earth is flat and claims that it is round because they will be given money for that [I]that is insincere - [/I]it is dishonest and the opposite of what they believe. This is still true despite the fact that the earth is not flat. (Note: According to The American Heritage Dictionary [url=http://www.thefreedictionary.com/disingenuous]there is some confusion about the meaning of disingenuous and the word may be shifting[/url] although your claimed usage is not in line with any standard possibility - but once you accept insincere as an accurate summary you are removing all doubt.) That you are accusing [MENTION=42582]pemerton[/MENTION] of [I]not believing what he is saying.[/I] Which is entirely different from making a mistake. That insincere doesn't mean that and disingenuous doesn't mean that. Both mean that the person that is being accused of such [I]doesn't believe what they are saying.[/I] There is a huge distinction between lying (someone knows something to be false and is making things up anyway) and mistaken (someone believes something to be true that isn't). You are not, as you think, accusing [MENTION=42582]pemerton[/MENTION] of being mistaken. You are accusing him of knowingly lying. And accusing someone of knowingly lying is a personal attack. If you are accusing him of being insincere or disingenuous then either you are accusing him of knowingly lying, in which case you are making a personal attack, or you are not saying what you think you are saying, in which case you owe him an apology. Which is it? [/QUOTE]
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