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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 6151087" data-attributes="member: 42582">A Charm or Dominate spell give the player of the caster a high degree of certainty in respect of their control.If non-magical social skills are to be viable alternatives, the player of the PC using those skills has to be able to achieve the same certainty/finality. (In discussions of game design this is often called &quot;conflict resolution&quot;.) For instance, if the player succeeds in persuading the NPC to do XYZ, then the NPC can't change his/her mind even if the GM thinks that that would be &quot;better for the story&quot;, or would be likely given the NPC's personality (the NPC's personality should have been a factor in the prior action resolution, and so already taken full account of).This would be something of a change to pre-4e D&amp;D adjudication, however. Typically only in combat (with its hp rules) and in spell casting has D&amp;D exhibited this sort of finality in action resolution.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 6151087, member: 42582"] A Charm or Dominate spell give the player of the caster a high degree of certainty in respect of their control. If non-magical social skills are to be viable alternatives, the player of the PC using those skills has to be able to achieve the same certainty/finality. (In discussions of game design this is often called "conflict resolution".) For instance, if the player succeeds in persuading the NPC to do XYZ, then the NPC can't change his/her mind even if the GM thinks that that would be "better for the story", or would be likely given the NPC's personality (the NPC's personality should have been a factor in the prior action resolution, and so already taken full account of). This would be something of a change to pre-4e D&D adjudication, however. Typically only in combat (with its hp rules) and in spell casting has D&D exhibited this sort of finality in action resolution. [/QUOTE]

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