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<blockquote data-quote="billd91" data-source="post: 6152418" data-attributes="member: 3400">In some cases, it's a matter of degree. Notice that CaGI affects pretty much everything and makes it come forward to take a hit. Goad won't affect things like oozes, vermin, or even most animals. It also doesn't force it to move and take a hit, rather it overrides other choices it might have in what it can make melee attacks against. Any other action is A-OK. So while with CaGI, you can force a character who normally doesn't move into contact into direct contact and take a hit, with Goad those sorts of standoffish PCs retain their freedom of choice to stay at range. CaGI is much better than Goad in what results it can achieve.That said, feats like Goad and Antagonize (on the PF side) are still controversial because of their potential to overrule player control of his PC without the intervention of magic. Nearly as controversial as CaGI, in fact. So it's not just that CaGI was an unexpected big deal. Goad and similar feats simply are a big deal.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="billd91, post: 6152418, member: 3400"] In some cases, it's a matter of degree. Notice that CaGI affects pretty much everything and makes it come forward to take a hit. Goad won't affect things like oozes, vermin, or even most animals. It also doesn't force it to move and take a hit, rather it overrides other choices it might have in what it can make melee attacks against. Any other action is A-OK. So while with CaGI, you can force a character who normally doesn't move into contact into direct contact and take a hit, with Goad those sorts of standoffish PCs retain their freedom of choice to stay at range. CaGI is much better than Goad in what results it can achieve. That said, feats like Goad and Antagonize (on the PF side) [b]are still controversial[/b] because of their potential to overrule player control of his PC without the intervention of magic. Nearly as controversial as CaGI, in fact. So it's not just that CaGI was an unexpected big deal. Goad and similar feats simply [b]are[/b] a big deal. [/QUOTE]

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