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<blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 6634759" data-attributes="member: 177">Yes, but....You seem to be determining that well-being in the living world is primary, and since Good and Evil are about well-being, then good and evil are primary.&nbsp; I am questioning the base assumption that well-being of people in the living world needs to be the focus.&nbsp; Historically, in the real world, it hasn't always been.&nbsp; For example - Let us say the King of the Gods controls the afterlife.&nbsp; He says that following his rules gets you into the perfect afterlife, for all eternity, even if people get hurt while you do it.&nbsp; If you will, well-being for all eternity is an issue in this fantasy world.&nbsp; This complicates matters, as the way to eternal well-being may not actually be Good, by the book definition!&nbsp; You can, in fact, have interesting concern of elves not dying of old age and not getting into this afterlife, and humans do.&nbsp; What now, is yoru moral position - what is more important, the eternity of humans (Lawfulness) or the eternity of elves (textbook Goodness).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Umbran, post: 6634759, member: 177"] Yes, but.... You seem to be determining that well-being in the living world is primary, and since Good and Evil are about well-being, then good and evil are primary. I am questioning the base assumption that well-being of people in the living world needs to be the focus. Historically, in the real world, it hasn't always been. For example - Let us say the King of the Gods controls the afterlife. He says that following his rules gets you into the perfect afterlife, for all eternity, even if people get hurt while you do it. If you will, well-being for all eternity is an issue in this fantasy world. This complicates matters, as the way to eternal well-being may not actually be Good, by the book definition! You can, in fact, have interesting concern of elves not dying of old age and not getting into this afterlife, and humans do. What now, is yoru moral position - what is more important, the eternity of humans (Lawfulness) or the eternity of elves (textbook Goodness). [/QUOTE]

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