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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 6643208" data-attributes="member: 996">Yeah, I do have to disagree with that.&nbsp; The Law/Chaos and Good/Evil axis aren't really presented as if one were subordinate to the other.&nbsp; And both are supernatural, palpable realities with very real consequences in the universe, and specific, literal places (outer planes) in the multiverse.&nbsp;Obviously, that implies that Law &amp; Chaos are opposed ethic philosophies in their own right, without needing justification in the good/evil axis.&nbsp; Order is a virtue, desirable in itself, to the lawful, and freedom, likewise, to the chaotic - whether each values good or evil or is indifferent to morality.&nbsp; Where the lawful and chaotic agree on a moral alignment, they could couch the virtues of their side the the ethical disagreement in terms of that shared morality, but that doesn't mean the ethic axis doesn't have an independent existence.&nbsp;Societies profess ideals and those ideals can probably be mapped to an alignment.&nbsp; &nbsp;I think that the fact that conflicting personal convictions and political policies, even to the point of provoking a war, can neatly fit within a single alignment does say something about both the nature of alignments and the dispute.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 6643208, member: 996"] Yeah, I do have to disagree with that. The Law/Chaos and Good/Evil axis aren't really presented as if one were subordinate to the other. And both are supernatural, palpable realities with very real consequences in the universe, and specific, literal places (outer planes) in the multiverse. Obviously, that implies that Law & Chaos are opposed ethic philosophies in their own right, without needing justification in the good/evil axis. Order is a virtue, desirable in itself, to the lawful, and freedom, likewise, to the chaotic - whether each values good or evil or is indifferent to morality. Where the lawful and chaotic agree on a moral alignment, they could couch the virtues of their side the the ethical disagreement in terms of that shared morality, but that doesn't mean the ethic axis doesn't have an independent existence. Societies profess ideals and those ideals can probably be mapped to an alignment. I think that the fact that conflicting personal convictions and political policies, even to the point of provoking a war, can neatly fit within a single alignment does say something about both the nature of alignments and the dispute. [/QUOTE]

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