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<blockquote data-quote="Sejs" data-source="post: 3233245" data-attributes="member: 4910"><p>Kinda-sorta. Works like so:</p><p></p><p>There are two different options one can take while in a grapple (okay, really there are several, but these are the two pertinent ones).</p><p></p><p>One option is <strong>Damage An Opponent</strong> - you make an opposed grapple check and if successful you deal damage equal to that you'd deal with an unarmed strike. If you had Weapon Specialization (Grapple) this is where you'd apply that bonus. As monks deal more damage with their unarmed strikes, they deal more damage when using this option (and can deal lethal damage without taking the normal -4 penalty to their grapple check).</p><p></p><p>The other option is <strong>Attack Your Opponent</strong> - you can attack your opponent with a light weapon, unarmed strike, or natural weapon(s) using your normal attack routine, but any attack in this fashion suffers a -4 penalty to hit. However, you do not need to win a grapple check in order to make these attacks. If you had Weapon Specialization (Unarmed Strike) and chose to attack in this fashion, this is where that bonus would apply (as opposed to WS-Grapple, above).</p><p></p><p>So the option breakdown for the creature you'd mentioned (+6/+1 BAB, claw/claw/bite/tail nats) would look like so, assuming they're making a full attack:</p><p></p><p>Option A) Wrassle. Use the Damage Your Opponent option to make two grapple checks (one at 6 + str mod + other mods, and the other at 1 + str mod + other mods) to deal damage equal to their unarmed strike if successful.</p><p></p><p>Option B) Attack. Assuming the creature doesn't have any manufactured weapons handy and doesn't want to attack with unarmed strikes due to their natural weapons being superior, you make a full attack as normal for the creature's natural attack routine. Each attack also suffers an additional -4 to hit. Their primary natural weapon would be at -4, and each secondary natural weapon would be at -9, assuming they don't have the Multiattack feat, in which case it'd be -4/-6.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sejs, post: 3233245, member: 4910"] Kinda-sorta. Works like so: There are two different options one can take while in a grapple (okay, really there are several, but these are the two pertinent ones). One option is [b]Damage An Opponent[/b] - you make an opposed grapple check and if successful you deal damage equal to that you'd deal with an unarmed strike. If you had Weapon Specialization (Grapple) this is where you'd apply that bonus. As monks deal more damage with their unarmed strikes, they deal more damage when using this option (and can deal lethal damage without taking the normal -4 penalty to their grapple check). The other option is [b]Attack Your Opponent[/b] - you can attack your opponent with a light weapon, unarmed strike, or natural weapon(s) using your normal attack routine, but any attack in this fashion suffers a -4 penalty to hit. However, you do not need to win a grapple check in order to make these attacks. If you had Weapon Specialization (Unarmed Strike) and chose to attack in this fashion, this is where that bonus would apply (as opposed to WS-Grapple, above). So the option breakdown for the creature you'd mentioned (+6/+1 BAB, claw/claw/bite/tail nats) would look like so, assuming they're making a full attack: Option A) Wrassle. Use the Damage Your Opponent option to make two grapple checks (one at 6 + str mod + other mods, and the other at 1 + str mod + other mods) to deal damage equal to their unarmed strike if successful. Option B) Attack. Assuming the creature doesn't have any manufactured weapons handy and doesn't want to attack with unarmed strikes due to their natural weapons being superior, you make a full attack as normal for the creature's natural attack routine. Each attack also suffers an additional -4 to hit. Their primary natural weapon would be at -4, and each secondary natural weapon would be at -9, assuming they don't have the Multiattack feat, in which case it'd be -4/-6. [/QUOTE]
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