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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jackinthegreen" data-source="post: 6060919" data-attributes="member: 6678119"><a href="http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/rg/20070403a" target="_blank">http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/rg/20070403a</a> and <a href="http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/rg/20070410a" target="_blank">http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/rg/20070410a</a> specifically reference a monk being able to make his normal unarmed routine (which is treated as a manufactured weapon) and then do all the natural attacks as secondary natural weapons (so the attack is at -5 and they only add 1/2 Str to damage).  If you can weed out the bad stuff (mostly the poster Aelryinth) from <a href="http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/26167777/Help_with_Frost_Rager_Barbarian_Fist_of_the_Forest?post_id=474713553#474713553" target="_blank">http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/26167777/Help_with_Frost_Rager_Barbarian_Fist_of_the_Forest?post_id=474713553#474713553</a> you'll notice that they exhaustively cite rules for making standard iterative attacks and then doing naturals at -5.  <a href="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/specialAbilities.htm#manufacturedWeapons" target="_blank">http://www.d20srd.org/srd/specialAbilities.htm#manufacturedWeapons</a> is the primary source for that and is listed and quoted in that thread.If it's just about the part where attacking with a manufactured weapon and a clawed appendage wielding that weapon then... I actually can't find anything anywhere explicitly saying the claw attack can't be used in general.  The <a href="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/lycanthrope.htm" target="_blank">Lycanthrope</a> template does say in it that "A hybrid may attack with a weapon and a bite, or may attack with its <a href="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/specialAbilities.htm#naturalWeapons" target="_blank">natural weapons</a>." but that only refers to the hybrid lycanthrope form and not every creature ever.  <a href="http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=207742" target="_blank">http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=207742</a>, <a href="http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=482.0" target="_blank">http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=482.0</a>, and other places do refer to not being able to use the clawed limb for a claw attack while wielding a weapon in the claw but I can't find the exact rules quote.Well, I can find stuff saying you can't make a secondary claw attack after you've used the limb for a primary attack.  <a href="http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/rg/20070403a" target="_blank">http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/rg/20070403a</a> has it with the paragraph "A creature can choose to treat its unarmed attacks as its primary  attacks and its natural weapons as secondary attacks. (This method is  normally used to add weapon attacks to a natural attack routine.) The  creature must make all unarmed attacks with its primary limb, which  prevents that hand from being used for a natural attack such as a claw  or slam."There's also a bit from the FAQ saying that a Lizardfolk can't make a claw attack along with, say, an attack with a longsword in the clawed hand.What happens when creatures use their naturalweapons as secondary attacks along with a manufacturedweapon? For example, lizardfolk have two claws that alsoserve as hands. What happens when they wield a onehandedweapon in one hand and nothing in the other? Dothey lose both claw attacks in exchange for their attackswith the weapon?Wielding a manufactured weapon doesn’t prevent acreature from using all its natural weaponry, provided that thecreature is using the full attack action and the additional naturalweapons are free.The example lizardfolk can’t make a claw attack with the“hand” that holds its weapon, although it does get to attackwith the weapon itself. But, if it’s using the full attack action, itcan use its other claw as a natural secondary attack (–5 toattack rolls, half Strength bonus), and can also bite as a naturalsecondary attack. In effect, the lizardfolk is using its normalfull attack routine with the manufactured weapon attacksubstituted for one claw attack.</blockquote>

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