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Natural attacks. How, exactly, do they work?
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<blockquote data-quote="Patryn of Elvenshae" data-source="post: 2328558" data-attributes="member: 23094"><p>Note that it is possible to have more than one primary natural attack.</p><p></p><p>In fact, most monsters that have primary natural attacks have more than one (and the most common is two claws).</p><p></p><p>Accordingly, it is possible to have both a bite and a slam as primary natural attacks.</p><p></p><p>Moreover, note that a slam does not necessarily require a specific appendage:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So, while a slam could possibly be a blow with a fist, it's not required to be, and I would have no problem with a particular warforged making a shoulder check for a slam attack, for instance (unless the ECS states otherwise, which I don't think it does).</p><p></p><p>If you could post your character's actual BAB and Strength score, I could calculate for you all the possibilities for your attacks. Until we get that, I'll speak in more general terms (and use the +6 figure you quoted above). Also, I'll assume that you've taken TWF, but not any more advanced TWF feats, and that your armor spikes do 1d6 points of damage.</p><p></p><p>"Unarmed"</p><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Attack Action<ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Bite: +6, 1d6+Str (PBS)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Claw: +1, 1d4+.5Str (PS)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Slam: +6, 1d4+Str (B)</li> </ol></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Full Attack Action<ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Natural Attack: 1 Bite +6, 1d6+Str (PBS); 1 Slam +6, 1d4+Str (B); 2 Claws +1, 1d4+.5Str (PS)</li> </ol></li> </ul><p></p><p>"Longsword in One Hand"</p><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Attack Action<ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Bite: +6, 1d6+Str (PBS)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Claw: +1, 1d4+.5Str (PS)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Slam: +6, 1d4+Str (B)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Longsword: +6, 1d8+Str (S)</li> </ol></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Full Attack Action<ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Natural Attacks Only: 1 Bite +6, 1d6+Str (PBS); 1 Slam +6, 1d4+Str (B); 1 Claw +1, 1d4+.5Str(PS)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Sword Only: Longsword +6 / + 1, 1d8+Str (S)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Mixed: Longsword +6 / + 1, 1d8+Str (S); 1 Bite +1, 1d6+.5Str (PBS); 1 Slam +1, 1d4+.5Str (B); 1 Claw +1, 1d4+.5Str(PS)</li> </ol></li> </ul><p></p><p>"Spikes"</p><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Attack Action<ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Bite: +6, 1d6+Str (PBS)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Claw: +1, 1d4+.5Str (PS)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Slam: +6, 1d4+Str (B)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Armor Spikes: +6, 1d6+Str (P)</li> </ol></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Full Attack Action<ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Natural Attacks Only: 1 Bite +6, 1d6+Str (PBS); 1 Slam +6, 1d4+Str (B); 2 Claws +1, 1d4+.5Str(PS)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Spikes Only: Armor Spikes +6 / + 1, 1d6+Str (P)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Mixed: Armor Spikes +6 / + 1, 1d6+Str (P); 1 Bite +1, 1d6+.5Str (PBS); 1 Slam +1, 1d4+.5Str (B); 2 Claws +1, 1d4+.5Str(PS)</li> </ol></li> </ul><p></p><p>"Longsword in One Hand and Armor Spikes"</p><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Attack Action<ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Bite: +6, 1d6+Str (PBS)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Claw: +1, 1d4+.5Str (PS)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Slam: +6, 1d4+Str (B)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Longsword: +6, 1d8+Str (S)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Armor Spikes: +6, 1d6+Str (P)</li> </ol></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Full Attack Action<ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Natural Attacks Only: 1 Bite +6, 1d6+Str (PBS); 1 Slam +6, 1d4+Str (B); 1 Claw +1, 1d4+.5Str(PS)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Manufactured Only 1 (LS Pri): Longsword +4 / -1, 1d8+Str (S); Armor Spikes +4, 1d6+.5Str</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Manufactured Only 2 (Spk Pri): Armor Spikes +2 / -3 1d6+Str (P); Longsword +2 1d8+.5Str (S)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Mixed 1 (LS Pri): Longsword +4 / -1, 1d8+Str (S); Armor Spikes +4, 1d6+.5Str; 1 Bite +1, 1d6+.5Str (PBS); 1 Slam +1, 1d4+.5Str (B); 1 Claw +1, 1d4+.5Str(PS)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Mixed 2 (Spk Pri): Armor Spikes +2 / -3, 1d6+Str; Longsword +2, 1d8+.5Str (S); 1 Bite +1, 1d6+.5Str (PBS); 1 Slam +1, 1d4+.5Str (B); 1 Claw +1, 1d4+.5Str(PS)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Mixed 3 (LS Pri, No Spk): Longsword +6 / + 1, 1d8+Str (S); 1 Bite +1, 1d6+.5Str (PBS); 1 Slam +1, 1d4+.5Str (B); 1 Claw +1, 1d4+.5Str(PS)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Mixed 4 (Spk Pri, No LS): Armor Spikes +6 / + 1, 1d6+Str (S); 1 Bite +1, 1d6+.5Str (PBS); 1 Slam +1, 1d4+.5Str (B); 1 Claw +1, 1d4+.5Str(PS)</li> </ol></li> </ul></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Patryn of Elvenshae, post: 2328558, member: 23094"] Note that it is possible to have more than one primary natural attack. In fact, most monsters that have primary natural attacks have more than one (and the most common is two claws). Accordingly, it is possible to have both a bite and a slam as primary natural attacks. Moreover, note that a slam does not necessarily require a specific appendage: So, while a slam could possibly be a blow with a fist, it's not required to be, and I would have no problem with a particular warforged making a shoulder check for a slam attack, for instance (unless the ECS states otherwise, which I don't think it does). If you could post your character's actual BAB and Strength score, I could calculate for you all the possibilities for your attacks. Until we get that, I'll speak in more general terms (and use the +6 figure you quoted above). Also, I'll assume that you've taken TWF, but not any more advanced TWF feats, and that your armor spikes do 1d6 points of damage. "Unarmed" [list] [*]Attack Action [list=1] [*]Bite: +6, 1d6+Str (PBS) [*]Claw: +1, 1d4+.5Str (PS) [*]Slam: +6, 1d4+Str (B) [/list] [*]Full Attack Action [list=1] [*]Natural Attack: 1 Bite +6, 1d6+Str (PBS); 1 Slam +6, 1d4+Str (B); 2 Claws +1, 1d4+.5Str (PS)[/list][/list] "Longsword in One Hand" [list] [*]Attack Action [list=1] [*]Bite: +6, 1d6+Str (PBS) [*]Claw: +1, 1d4+.5Str (PS) [*]Slam: +6, 1d4+Str (B) [*]Longsword: +6, 1d8+Str (S) [/list] [*]Full Attack Action [list=1] [*]Natural Attacks Only: 1 Bite +6, 1d6+Str (PBS); 1 Slam +6, 1d4+Str (B); 1 Claw +1, 1d4+.5Str(PS) [*]Sword Only: Longsword +6 / + 1, 1d8+Str (S) [*]Mixed: Longsword +6 / + 1, 1d8+Str (S); 1 Bite +1, 1d6+.5Str (PBS); 1 Slam +1, 1d4+.5Str (B); 1 Claw +1, 1d4+.5Str(PS)[/list][/list] "Spikes" [list] [*]Attack Action [list=1] [*]Bite: +6, 1d6+Str (PBS) [*]Claw: +1, 1d4+.5Str (PS) [*]Slam: +6, 1d4+Str (B) [*]Armor Spikes: +6, 1d6+Str (P) [/list] [*]Full Attack Action [list=1] [*]Natural Attacks Only: 1 Bite +6, 1d6+Str (PBS); 1 Slam +6, 1d4+Str (B); 2 Claws +1, 1d4+.5Str(PS) [*]Spikes Only: Armor Spikes +6 / + 1, 1d6+Str (P) [*]Mixed: Armor Spikes +6 / + 1, 1d6+Str (P); 1 Bite +1, 1d6+.5Str (PBS); 1 Slam +1, 1d4+.5Str (B); 2 Claws +1, 1d4+.5Str(PS)[/list][/list] "Longsword in One Hand and Armor Spikes" [list] [*]Attack Action [list=1] [*]Bite: +6, 1d6+Str (PBS) [*]Claw: +1, 1d4+.5Str (PS) [*]Slam: +6, 1d4+Str (B) [*]Longsword: +6, 1d8+Str (S) [*]Armor Spikes: +6, 1d6+Str (P) [/list] [*]Full Attack Action [list=1] [*]Natural Attacks Only: 1 Bite +6, 1d6+Str (PBS); 1 Slam +6, 1d4+Str (B); 1 Claw +1, 1d4+.5Str(PS) [*]Manufactured Only 1 (LS Pri): Longsword +4 / -1, 1d8+Str (S); Armor Spikes +4, 1d6+.5Str [*]Manufactured Only 2 (Spk Pri): Armor Spikes +2 / -3 1d6+Str (P); Longsword +2 1d8+.5Str (S) [*]Mixed 1 (LS Pri): Longsword +4 / -1, 1d8+Str (S); Armor Spikes +4, 1d6+.5Str; 1 Bite +1, 1d6+.5Str (PBS); 1 Slam +1, 1d4+.5Str (B); 1 Claw +1, 1d4+.5Str(PS) [*]Mixed 2 (Spk Pri): Armor Spikes +2 / -3, 1d6+Str; Longsword +2, 1d8+.5Str (S); 1 Bite +1, 1d6+.5Str (PBS); 1 Slam +1, 1d4+.5Str (B); 1 Claw +1, 1d4+.5Str(PS) [*]Mixed 3 (LS Pri, No Spk): Longsword +6 / + 1, 1d8+Str (S); 1 Bite +1, 1d6+.5Str (PBS); 1 Slam +1, 1d4+.5Str (B); 1 Claw +1, 1d4+.5Str(PS) [*]Mixed 4 (Spk Pri, No LS): Armor Spikes +6 / + 1, 1d6+Str (S); 1 Bite +1, 1d6+.5Str (PBS); 1 Slam +1, 1d4+.5Str (B); 1 Claw +1, 1d4+.5Str(PS)[/list][/list] [/QUOTE]
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