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<blockquote data-quote="Hriston" data-source="post: 7896746" data-attributes="member: 6787503"><p>Nice necro!</p><p></p><p>I think the issue stems from the different ways the word <em>weapon </em>is used in the rules. Not all of them refer to “actual weapons”!</p><p></p><p>1. As a noun, <em>weapon </em>can mean one of three things:</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">In its unmodified form, or as part of <em>martial weapon, melee weapon, ranged weapon, simple weapon, </em>with any of the weapon properties used as adjectives, or simply <em>actual weapon, weapon </em>refers to an item manufactured for the purpose of doing harm.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><em>Improvised weapon </em>refers to an item that isn’t manufactured for the purpose of doing harm. One of the pitfalls here is that an actual weapon can be used <em>as </em>an improvised weapon if it’s used in a way other than that for which it was intended. This doesn’t make it an improvised weapon. It’s just being used “as” one.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><em>Natural weapon </em>refers to a creature’s natural defenses, such as its claws, teeth, etc.</li> </ul><p>2. As an adjective, <em>weapon </em>is used to modify the noun <em>attack. </em>In this context, <em>weapon </em>means “non-spell”. Simple to remember: Does your attack come from a spell? If not, then it’s a “weapon attack”. This meaning has absolutely nothing to do with any of the noun usages above.</p><p></p><p>As can be seen in this thread, up until nearly three years ago I was under the impression that natural weapons were included under weapons, but it’s clear to me now that the intent is that natural weapons and improvised weapons are non-weapons.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hriston, post: 7896746, member: 6787503"] Nice necro! I think the issue stems from the different ways the word [I]weapon [/I]is used in the rules. Not all of them refer to “actual weapons”! 1. As a noun, [I]weapon [/I]can mean one of three things: [LIST] [*]In its unmodified form, or as part of [I]martial weapon, melee weapon, ranged weapon, simple weapon, [/I]with any of the weapon properties used as adjectives, or simply [I]actual weapon, weapon [/I]refers to an item manufactured for the purpose of doing harm. [*][I]Improvised weapon [/I]refers to an item that isn’t manufactured for the purpose of doing harm. One of the pitfalls here is that an actual weapon can be used [I]as [/I]an improvised weapon if it’s used in a way other than that for which it was intended. This doesn’t make it an improvised weapon. It’s just being used “as” one. [*][I]Natural weapon [/I]refers to a creature’s natural defenses, such as its claws, teeth, etc. [/LIST] 2. As an adjective, [I]weapon [/I]is used to modify the noun [I]attack. [/I]In this context, [I]weapon [/I]means “non-spell”. Simple to remember: Does your attack come from a spell? If not, then it’s a “weapon attack”. This meaning has absolutely nothing to do with any of the noun usages above. As can be seen in this thread, up until nearly three years ago I was under the impression that natural weapons were included under weapons, but it’s clear to me now that the intent is that natural weapons and improvised weapons are non-weapons. [/QUOTE]
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