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<blockquote data-quote="Thanee" data-source="post: 2952927" data-attributes="member: 478"><p>@Legildur: Guess that doesn't work as an explanation then... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>The central point of my opinion (which is 'no, doesn't work') is similar to the above, though. I do not think that the <strong>effective druid level</strong> (from Natural Bond) and the <strong>druid's effective level</strong> (from the animal companion ability) are one and the same thing, the first is the total class level (or effective class level for non-druids), while the latter is the first modified by the appropriate value taken from the table for advanced animal companions (-3, -6, etc).</p><p></p><p>And, I usually try to go by what I think the intent is, and I really, really doubt, that the intent was to allow to surpass the character level (effectively) with this cheat, because if it was, there would be no point in limiting it to the character level in the first place (if this limit only affects animal companions that can be chosen at 1st level... so arguably the weakest of the choices already). It's not like such an ability (w/o limit, that is) wasn't in the very same book (Beastmaster).</p><p></p><p>And since the text isn't clear either way, I choose to read it that way (only works for rangers and multiclassed druids, and similar cases). <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>Bye</p><p>Thanee</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Thanee, post: 2952927, member: 478"] @Legildur: Guess that doesn't work as an explanation then... :) The central point of my opinion (which is 'no, doesn't work') is similar to the above, though. I do not think that the [b]effective druid level[/b] (from Natural Bond) and the [b]druid's effective level[/b] (from the animal companion ability) are one and the same thing, the first is the total class level (or effective class level for non-druids), while the latter is the first modified by the appropriate value taken from the table for advanced animal companions (-3, -6, etc). And, I usually try to go by what I think the intent is, and I really, really doubt, that the intent was to allow to surpass the character level (effectively) with this cheat, because if it was, there would be no point in limiting it to the character level in the first place (if this limit only affects animal companions that can be chosen at 1st level... so arguably the weakest of the choices already). It's not like such an ability (w/o limit, that is) wasn't in the very same book (Beastmaster). And since the text isn't clear either way, I choose to read it that way (only works for rangers and multiclassed druids, and similar cases). :) Bye Thanee [/QUOTE]
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