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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 9189827" data-attributes="member: 18">Another way to look at it is, if we gave a points score to racial abilities, and say used Darkvision as a baseline at 1 point, then we could say like:1/rest Misty Step 1.25 points (maybe as high as 1.5)1/rest bonus attack with rider 1 pointMediocre cantrip (Dancing Lights for example!) 0.25 pointsGood cantrip or choice of cantrips 0.5 pointsGood skill or choice of skill 0.5 pointsAnd so on, then natural weapons, by themselves, looking at their real utility, including the fact that WotC are absolutely bound and determined that they are STR-only, no matter how much more sense DEX makes, and their damage is on-par with bad Simple weapons in general (but without having any of the features of those Simple weapons), cannot be dual-wielded (I think most DMs would allow it, but RAW my understanding is that they cannot - correct me if I'm wrong, though it doesn't make much difference), and so on are probably worth about 0.01 points, and that's no typo.Ones which do other stuff can be much more useful (c.f. 1/rest bonus attack with rider above), but in general if we're going to value them realistically, 1d4 and 1d6 natural weapons are negligible and should not be part of the calculation of PC race's power.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 9189827, member: 18"] Another way to look at it is, if we gave a points score to racial abilities, and say used Darkvision as a baseline at 1 point, then we could say like: 1/rest Misty Step 1.25 points (maybe as high as 1.5) 1/rest bonus attack with rider 1 point Mediocre cantrip (Dancing Lights for example!) 0.25 points Good cantrip or choice of cantrips 0.5 points Good skill or choice of skill 0.5 points And so on, then natural weapons, by themselves, looking at their real utility, including the fact that WotC are absolutely bound and determined that they are STR-only, no matter how much more sense DEX makes, and their damage is on-par with bad Simple weapons in general (but without having any of the features of those Simple weapons), cannot be dual-wielded (I think most DMs would allow it, but RAW my understanding is that they cannot - correct me if I'm wrong, though it doesn't make much difference), and so on are probably worth about 0.01 points, and that's no typo. Ones which do other stuff can be much more useful (c.f. 1/rest bonus attack with rider above), but in general if we're going to value them realistically, 1d4 and 1d6 natural weapons are negligible and should not be part of the calculation of PC race's power. [/QUOTE]

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