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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8109367" data-attributes="member: 6801228">I didn't say they can't exist, but I just don't see a place for them. Or, if I did, then there should be no Druids and they were just clerics. See, the problem I have is thematic overlap. If Obad-Hai is the god of Nature and has been around since "the old times" then who are the Druids worshipping? If they worship Obad-Hai, then why aren't they clerics? It feels appropriate that Druids and Nature are beyond the Gods. It is not a domain where they rule. Then it makes sense to refer to Druidism as an "older" faith, because they worship something that is not in the realms of the Gods. They commune with the World itself. Why do they have such different powers? Because they come from a completely different place.---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Okay, what makes an Elemental cleric different from a Divine one, if there is a God of Fire that they both worship? And if there are no gods, but you can worship a divine philosophy, then you can still have clerics, so a lack of gods would never effect a cleric. I'm very tired, so maybe I'm not making much sense, but it seems odd to blame 4e for something that existed long before 4e. Maybe they codified it a little more obviously, but "Wizards use Arcane Magic" is something that has been true since 1e, Fighters are Martial has always been true. 4e just said up-front what every other edition whispered in a dozen places.</blockquote>

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