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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Robert Ranting" data-source="post: 3951276" data-attributes="member: 28906">I also like the use of "Primal" as a power source. While I agree with most of the ideas presented here so far, one thing that hasn't been mentioned is how a druid could use some of his classic "spells" other than shapeshifting to help him in the Defender niche.  For example, the dryad in the Desert of Desolation D&D minis set has an aura of entangle, which hampers the movements of creatures that are standing near it.  Assuming the  4e druid is not affected by his own entangle effect, he could then move around and engage foes in melee on his own terms, while everyone else has to struggle to get past him (and consequently, gets blasted, flanked, etc. by the party members in the back).  That definately sounds like a defender to me, especially if the druid  is in the form of a dire bear and ripping the entangled foes to shreds...Ultimately, my major hope is that the Druid isn't a leader, as that would make it too similar to the cleric.  Ideally, I think I would like to see it as a Stirker, using its shapeshifting abilities to move about the battlefield and single out targets.  One aspect of WoW worth copying here would be the single-target nature of the entangle spell, rather than making it a huge area of effect.  Locking down a single target with a potent de-buff seems to be a valid tactic for Warlocks, who are strikers, so I think this would be within the realm of the "role".  Besides, having entangling vines as a huge area of effect spell just seemed to hinder the fighters and rogues in 3e, so making it single-target would allow us to keep the flavor while losing an aspect that makes the game less fun for everyone else in the group.Robert "I Likely Will Not Run 4e Until We Have a Druid" Ranting</blockquote>

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