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<blockquote data-quote="PatrickLawinger" data-source="post: 677331" data-attributes="member: 2735"><p>Wow!</p><p></p><p>This appears to be getting out of control. I don't know why I am jumping back into the fray. I guess I have a few minutes until lunch is ready.</p><p></p><p>I can't recall any negative comments I made vs pdfs, I think d20Dwarf's statements weren't meant to be as negative as people took them.</p><p></p><p>The point I have been trying to make all along is that WotC is making a definite effort to continue encouraging and fostering the d20 market. LOTS of people on this board declared d20 all but dead when Ryan Dancey left simply because they felt that the SRD would never be updated with new material. d20 Modern and the promise to release the "revised" material in the SRD quickly destroy that. I think people should be encouraged by this because WotC is making it clear that they do want the d20 market to continue and succeed. This would seem obvious because it helps them sell books, but I have seen numerous threads here and on other message boards claiming otherwise.</p><p></p><p>Personally, I would not have made decisions based on print vs pdf (and who knows, they might not make decisions that way). I would make the decision based more on the number of products, quality of products and # of sales (using different standards for .pdfs that usually don't sell as many copies as print). Let's be honest, there are some BAD print products out there. Of course, this would still mean some people wouldn't be in the "inner circle" and therefore cause complaints about the person (or people) deciding who is "in." This would almost certainly be a more expensive process in terms of man hours. Let's face facts, they don't have to spend money doing this in the first place.</p><p></p><p>Sure, I disagree with the method they are using to decide who gets "in," but that doesn't change the fact that they are spending money, time, and effort to support the d20 market when they don't have to. (Yes, we could argue whether or not they "have" to for good feelings, etc. but lets not)</p><p></p><p>There are a number of excellent .pdf products out. I am biased toward Dark Quest Games because I have written for them a little bit and found Neal and Darren to be two of the nicest people I have dealt with. DQG has put out a number of good DnD products and I believe they are (or already have) converting their popular CyberStyle line to d20 Modern. I don't see why you would leave them out of the running. Then again, that is my opinion, I am sure you can find someone that doesn't like them. Who gets to decide if they should be "in?" </p><p></p><p>Frankly, I don't envy WotC. They are trying to do something nice. They obviously can't do it for everyone, no matter where or how they draw the line someone is going to be upset.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="PatrickLawinger, post: 677331, member: 2735"] Wow! This appears to be getting out of control. I don't know why I am jumping back into the fray. I guess I have a few minutes until lunch is ready. I can't recall any negative comments I made vs pdfs, I think d20Dwarf's statements weren't meant to be as negative as people took them. The point I have been trying to make all along is that WotC is making a definite effort to continue encouraging and fostering the d20 market. LOTS of people on this board declared d20 all but dead when Ryan Dancey left simply because they felt that the SRD would never be updated with new material. d20 Modern and the promise to release the "revised" material in the SRD quickly destroy that. I think people should be encouraged by this because WotC is making it clear that they do want the d20 market to continue and succeed. This would seem obvious because it helps them sell books, but I have seen numerous threads here and on other message boards claiming otherwise. Personally, I would not have made decisions based on print vs pdf (and who knows, they might not make decisions that way). I would make the decision based more on the number of products, quality of products and # of sales (using different standards for .pdfs that usually don't sell as many copies as print). Let's be honest, there are some BAD print products out there. Of course, this would still mean some people wouldn't be in the "inner circle" and therefore cause complaints about the person (or people) deciding who is "in." This would almost certainly be a more expensive process in terms of man hours. Let's face facts, they don't have to spend money doing this in the first place. Sure, I disagree with the method they are using to decide who gets "in," but that doesn't change the fact that they are spending money, time, and effort to support the d20 market when they don't have to. (Yes, we could argue whether or not they "have" to for good feelings, etc. but lets not) There are a number of excellent .pdf products out. I am biased toward Dark Quest Games because I have written for them a little bit and found Neal and Darren to be two of the nicest people I have dealt with. DQG has put out a number of good DnD products and I believe they are (or already have) converting their popular CyberStyle line to d20 Modern. I don't see why you would leave them out of the running. Then again, that is my opinion, I am sure you can find someone that doesn't like them. Who gets to decide if they should be "in?" Frankly, I don't envy WotC. They are trying to do something nice. They obviously can't do it for everyone, no matter where or how they draw the line someone is going to be upset. [/QUOTE]
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