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<blockquote data-quote="Water Bob" data-source="post: 5629644" data-attributes="member: 92305"><p>Real life observation.</p><p> </p><p>Take 10 men that you know of all about the same age, then take 10 women in the same age bracket, and let them all fight it out in a boxing ring.</p><p> </p><p>Who would you bet on?</p><p> </p><p>The men, of course. Because they'd win.</p><p> </p><p>Sure, there are individuals here and there where a woman can be stronger than her male counter part, but as a whole, you're deluding yourself if you think that women and men, as a whole, are equal in the STR/Combat department.</p><p> </p><p>Heck, a quick google turns up this, from a 2008 NY Times article:</p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="color: darkorange">MUSCLES</span></strong></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: darkorange">There has been a lot of controversy in the sports world about whether men's apparent physical advantage is on the wane. A look at the bulging muscles sported by some female Wimbledon champions proves that female sportswomen aren't the delicate flowers they once were - some experts have argued that women will eventually equal men's speed and strength.</span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue">But the fact is that men generally have bigger, stronger muscles.</span> <span style="color: darkorange">As Harry Brennan, an exercise physiologist at the Institute of Sport, says: 'There was a period in the Seventies when women equalled or broke more world records than men, but that was before the fall of the Berlin Wall.'</span></p><p><span style="color: darkorange">In other words, this was the era when Eastern Bloc coaches were feeding female athletes steroids like sweets.</span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: darkorange">'It now looks as if the gap is widening,' Brennan says. 'At a hormonal level, men have 10 per cent more testosterone.' Testosterone helps the body lay down more muscle. 'This is why men tend to be more muscly,' explains Brennan.</span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: darkorange">Still, if men are stronger, aren't women - with their smaller, lighter bodies - more agile? Apparently not. 'Agility depends upon the ability to decelerate and accelerate fast, and men - because of their larger muscles - will always have an advantage,' says Brennan.</span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: darkorange">But if men are stronger, faster and more agile, women are more flexible. 'Women's smaller muscle mass and joint geometry, and the difference in ligament structure</span><span style="color: darkorange">, allows for more flexibility,' says Brennan. So, a woman could pick a dirty sock off the floor, no problem, while a man would have to bend. That's if he noticed the sock in the first place.</span></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="color: darkorange">Weaker sex: WOMEN</span></strong></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p> </p><p>I doubt, seriously, that is correct. A quick google bears me out.</p><p> </p><p>Remember, we're talking about pure STR and combat ability--not other areas where women are stronger than men (such as the realm of heart problems).</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>No. It means that a woman could never get the top power as a man. But, there will still be plenty of instances where women are stronger than men.</p><p> </p><p>A female character throws 4d6 -3, and gets 18 -3, for a total of STR 15. Then, let's go a step further and make her a Cimmerian (since I play the Conan RPG), which race gets a +2 STR.</p><p> </p><p>So, this female gets a STR 17.</p><p> </p><p>The next character, a male, throws 4d6 and gets a STR 10. He's Cimmerian, too, so he gets the +2 modifier also. He starts the game with STR 12.</p><p> </p><p>The woman is obviously much stronger than the man.</p><p> </p><p>But, as we begin chargen, it is the men that have a better chance of being stronger.</p><p> </p><p>And, that reflects real life.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>I don't use the rule in my game, but I think it's a rule worth noting. And, I'm not suggesting that women are a different race, but I am suggesting that they are <em>different</em>, biologically, than men.</p><p> </p><p>Anyone with an eye (doesn't need two of them) can see the difference.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>A lot of people say this. I find it really adds no time at all to the game but adds a lot of enjoyment. Players seem to feel more like they are participating in the fight rather than watching it.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>I never use point-buy when I can avoid it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Water Bob, post: 5629644, member: 92305"] Real life observation. Take 10 men that you know of all about the same age, then take 10 women in the same age bracket, and let them all fight it out in a boxing ring. Who would you bet on? The men, of course. Because they'd win. Sure, there are individuals here and there where a woman can be stronger than her male counter part, but as a whole, you're deluding yourself if you think that women and men, as a whole, are equal in the STR/Combat department. Heck, a quick google turns up this, from a 2008 NY Times article: [B][COLOR=darkorange]MUSCLES[/COLOR][/B] [COLOR=darkorange][/COLOR] [COLOR=darkorange]There has been a lot of controversy in the sports world about whether men's apparent physical advantage is on the wane. A look at the bulging muscles sported by some female Wimbledon champions proves that female sportswomen aren't the delicate flowers they once were - some experts have argued that women will eventually equal men's speed and strength.[/COLOR] [COLOR=blue]But the fact is that men generally have bigger, stronger muscles.[/COLOR] [COLOR=darkorange]As Harry Brennan, an exercise physiologist at the Institute of Sport, says: 'There was a period in the Seventies when women equalled or broke more world records than men, but that was before the fall of the Berlin Wall.'[/COLOR] [COLOR=darkorange]In other words, this was the era when Eastern Bloc coaches were feeding female athletes steroids like sweets.[/COLOR] [COLOR=darkorange][/COLOR] [COLOR=darkorange]'It now looks as if the gap is widening,' Brennan says. 'At a hormonal level, men have 10 per cent more testosterone.' Testosterone helps the body lay down more muscle. 'This is why men tend to be more muscly,' explains Brennan.[/COLOR] [COLOR=darkorange][/COLOR] [COLOR=darkorange]Still, if men are stronger, aren't women - with their smaller, lighter bodies - more agile? Apparently not. 'Agility depends upon the ability to decelerate and accelerate fast, and men - because of their larger muscles - will always have an advantage,' says Brennan.[/COLOR] [COLOR=darkorange][/COLOR] [COLOR=darkorange]But if men are stronger, faster and more agile, women are more flexible. 'Women's smaller muscle mass and joint geometry, and the difference in ligament structure[/COLOR][COLOR=darkorange], allows for more flexibility,' says Brennan. So, a woman could pick a dirty sock off the floor, no problem, while a man would have to bend. That's if he noticed the sock in the first place.[/COLOR] [B][COLOR=darkorange][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=darkorange]Weaker sex: WOMEN[/COLOR][/B] I doubt, seriously, that is correct. A quick google bears me out. Remember, we're talking about pure STR and combat ability--not other areas where women are stronger than men (such as the realm of heart problems). No. It means that a woman could never get the top power as a man. But, there will still be plenty of instances where women are stronger than men. A female character throws 4d6 -3, and gets 18 -3, for a total of STR 15. Then, let's go a step further and make her a Cimmerian (since I play the Conan RPG), which race gets a +2 STR. So, this female gets a STR 17. The next character, a male, throws 4d6 and gets a STR 10. He's Cimmerian, too, so he gets the +2 modifier also. He starts the game with STR 12. The woman is obviously much stronger than the man. But, as we begin chargen, it is the men that have a better chance of being stronger. And, that reflects real life. I don't use the rule in my game, but I think it's a rule worth noting. And, I'm not suggesting that women are a different race, but I am suggesting that they are [I]different[/I], biologically, than men. Anyone with an eye (doesn't need two of them) can see the difference. A lot of people say this. I find it really adds no time at all to the game but adds a lot of enjoyment. Players seem to feel more like they are participating in the fight rather than watching it. I never use point-buy when I can avoid it. [/QUOTE]
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