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<blockquote data-quote="Teflon Billy" data-source="post: 1095983" data-attributes="member: 264">Well, we do and we don't<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />I understand your point, but the gist of it is (even in the example you've given above) that Christ could be said to be a &quot;mystical&quot; figure (what with the healing, the water-walking, the loaves and fishes) and impart &quot;mystical&quot; power to items by his presence. Sure, I'm with you there.Lincoln was not a mystical, magical force. Neither was MacArthur, neither was Billy the Kid....I think it's an apples and oranges thing<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Green Knight did asked: &quot;Are there some legends about the powers of Lincoln's hat&quot;? I'm not aware of any.It might just be an age thing....stuff that is from before the age of reason can be a painted with a &quot;mystical&quot; brush simply becasue there weren't skeptics being published at the time.But all of the people listing &quot;Magical Artifact&quot; suggestions from the history of the United States are just not getting their points through to me.Same for Ghandi's Cane for that matter. I don't think anyone has attibuted the fact that Ghandi freed India from British rule to his cane...it's an insult if they do so.We live in a secular and humanist age, ascribing animistic, totemic power to common everyday items (see my Pamela Anderson quote) due to someone using them is not anything I respect or applaud (despite what fans of American Military history might have to say) <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Stuff from distant history? I'm all over it. Excalibur, The Grail etc. all good.Stuff from the Age of my grandfather? not so worthy of the term &quot;Artifact&quot; (in the D&amp;D sense).Anyway, that as a &quot;stream of consciousness&quot; so for give the rambliness of it all <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Teflon Billy, post: 1095983, member: 264"] Well, we do and we don't:) I understand your point, but the gist of it is (even in the example you've given above) that Christ could be said to be a "mystical" figure (what with the healing, the water-walking, the loaves and fishes) and impart "mystical" power to items by his presence. Sure, I'm with you there. Lincoln was not a mystical, magical force. Neither was MacArthur, neither was Billy the Kid....I think it's an apples and oranges thing:) Green Knight did asked: "Are there some legends about the powers of Lincoln's hat"? I'm not aware of any. It might just be an age thing....stuff that is from before the age of reason can be a painted with a "mystical" brush simply becasue there weren't skeptics being published at the time. But all of the people listing "Magical Artifact" suggestions from the history of the United States are just not getting their points through to me. Same for Ghandi's Cane for that matter. I don't think anyone has attibuted the fact that Ghandi freed India from British rule to his cane...it's an insult if they do so. We live in a secular and humanist age, ascribing animistic, totemic power to common everyday items (see my Pamela Anderson quote) due to someone using them is not anything I respect or applaud (despite what fans of American Military history might have to say) :) Stuff from distant history? I'm all over it. Excalibur, The Grail etc. all good. Stuff from the Age of my grandfather? not so worthy of the term "Artifact" (in the D&D sense). Anyway, that as a "stream of consciousness" so for give the rambliness of it all :) [/QUOTE]

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