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Necessity of a Social Negotiation System? – When Should It Be Relevant?
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<blockquote data-quote="aramis erak" data-source="post: 9632591" data-attributes="member: 6779310"><p>Queen Guinevere is special... first off, she's a SHOCKINGLY beautiful woman (App 30 in 4th ed, in a system where normal is 5-18)... but Amor Guinevere is not (usually) the same kind of Amor - it's labeled in 4th ed's text as a "Chaste Amor" - she is so beautiful she inspires you to do great deeds in hopes she even acknowledges you... </p><p>You routinely get one chaste Amor (almost always Guinevere), and one unchaste one... but you can have two unchaste ones... but the lower one is going to be halved at winter unless you work to improve it and willfully ignore the other...</p><p></p><p>But those Amor passions are also great for an inspiration check... and inspiration gives a temporary +10 to one skill for the task stated... if you pass the check. If not, it can put you at a penalty to everything, instead, or even cause you a madness episode.</p><p></p><p>Generating an Amor is 3d6 + (1 per point of App over 20), +6 if they saved your life or saved you from a dire fate, +1d3 if they flirted with you, - Hate(enemy) passion if it applies.</p><p>If you have no Amor, and the roll is under 16, you can reject it.</p><p>If you have one, it requires a triggering act to check for a new one... and if the new one is lower, it doesn't take.</p><p></p><p>They also generate one... Now, I had a player who Saved the Queen before her dalliance with Lance began... and he managed to get an amor (Bradwyn) 21; that's higher than her Love (Arthur) 12 and Amor (Lancelot) 18... Meanwhile, Bradwyn had Amor (Guenivere) 25...</p><p>But that's not an instant sneak off to the stables...</p><p></p><p>There's the whole issue of resisting it, and the need to do glorious things in your Amor's inspiration, without getting caught together. It's 20-Amor... Bradwyn had to make annual opposed Loyalty Arthur vs Amor Guinevere... but he also zipyanked her attention away from Lancelot...</p><p></p><p>Also, if not used, Amor halves each year.</p><p></p><p>Also note: There are half a dozen places where Lancelot can wind up out of the picture by PC actions... but the rolls needed are not easy. It's all too easy for PCs to get that chaste amor, but a whole 'nother when the queen pulls your hand to her thigh... at camp after you rescued her from Arthur's enemy of the year. (Yeah, she didn that. The player was flabbergasted...)</p><p>That same campaign, one of the other PCs had a wife with an App 29. Once she was a widow, and married the liege, a number of the knights took her as a chaste amor. (Sadly, she was incompetent at Chirurgery, and hence why she was twice a widow... her incompetence killed 4 knights.)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="aramis erak, post: 9632591, member: 6779310"] Queen Guinevere is special... first off, she's a SHOCKINGLY beautiful woman (App 30 in 4th ed, in a system where normal is 5-18)... but Amor Guinevere is not (usually) the same kind of Amor - it's labeled in 4th ed's text as a "Chaste Amor" - she is so beautiful she inspires you to do great deeds in hopes she even acknowledges you... You routinely get one chaste Amor (almost always Guinevere), and one unchaste one... but you can have two unchaste ones... but the lower one is going to be halved at winter unless you work to improve it and willfully ignore the other... But those Amor passions are also great for an inspiration check... and inspiration gives a temporary +10 to one skill for the task stated... if you pass the check. If not, it can put you at a penalty to everything, instead, or even cause you a madness episode. Generating an Amor is 3d6 + (1 per point of App over 20), +6 if they saved your life or saved you from a dire fate, +1d3 if they flirted with you, - Hate(enemy) passion if it applies. If you have no Amor, and the roll is under 16, you can reject it. If you have one, it requires a triggering act to check for a new one... and if the new one is lower, it doesn't take. They also generate one... Now, I had a player who Saved the Queen before her dalliance with Lance began... and he managed to get an amor (Bradwyn) 21; that's higher than her Love (Arthur) 12 and Amor (Lancelot) 18... Meanwhile, Bradwyn had Amor (Guenivere) 25... But that's not an instant sneak off to the stables... There's the whole issue of resisting it, and the need to do glorious things in your Amor's inspiration, without getting caught together. It's 20-Amor... Bradwyn had to make annual opposed Loyalty Arthur vs Amor Guinevere... but he also zipyanked her attention away from Lancelot... Also, if not used, Amor halves each year. Also note: There are half a dozen places where Lancelot can wind up out of the picture by PC actions... but the rolls needed are not easy. It's all too easy for PCs to get that chaste amor, but a whole 'nother when the queen pulls your hand to her thigh... at camp after you rescued her from Arthur's enemy of the year. (Yeah, she didn that. The player was flabbergasted...) That same campaign, one of the other PCs had a wife with an App 29. Once she was a widow, and married the liege, a number of the knights took her as a chaste amor. (Sadly, she was incompetent at Chirurgery, and hence why she was twice a widow... her incompetence killed 4 knights.) [/QUOTE]
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