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<blockquote data-quote="FormerlyHemlock" data-source="post: 6698143" data-attributes="member: 6787650">Oh, is that what you meant by &quot;under DM control&quot;? Sorry, I thought you meant &quot;functions as a friendly NPC once captured.&quot; In that case I'll just say, &quot;I sort of agree.&quot; The player can make his own opportunities via Create Undead, but the DM can offer him better opportunities (sometimes inadvertently), and naturally those aren't under his control.In fact, that is what I asked in my first post: would you prefer to create your own undead, leaving nothing to chance, or to capture high-value targets of opportunity as they arise, or to keep nothing permanently but merely leave the &quot;slot&quot; open for controlling Death Tyrans/Dracoliches/etc. for short periods of time? If going for opportunity targets, which targets would you prioritize over other targets? E.g. if you have a long-term Ghost you're using as an ethereal scout and possessor, and you hear rumors of a vampire infestation nearby, do you think &quot;kill it&quot; or &quot;capture it&quot;? My motivation for wondering about this question is that I built an area with medusas and a mummy lord in it, and realized upon checking the mummy lord's stats that mummy lords are ideal captures for a necromancer. Sure, you could kill it instead without ever realizing the potential, but doing so is kind of like overlooking a major treasure hoard.So yeah, it's DM dependent, and of course the question isn't about pre-planning which undead you will acquire. That would be absurd in the same way as trying to plan for a fighter to eventually find a Girdle of Storm Giant Strength--if you assume that you'll eventually find one (and you probably won't) and then don't, you'll be up a creek. Finding undead is frankly quite a bit easier in your average D&amp;D game, but finding your ideal undead monster is probably not. (E.g. if you built your whole character concept around finding a mummy lord, and then you met a mummy lord but he had Int 14 instead of 11, you'd be really sad. So don't build the concept around finding a particular undead monster.)But if you don't plan to see opportunities, you might overlook them.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="FormerlyHemlock, post: 6698143, member: 6787650"] Oh, is that what you meant by "under DM control"? Sorry, I thought you meant "functions as a friendly NPC once captured." In that case I'll just say, "I sort of agree." The player can make his own opportunities via Create Undead, but the DM can offer him better opportunities (sometimes inadvertently), and naturally those aren't under his control. In fact, that is what I asked in my first post: would you prefer to create your own undead, leaving nothing to chance, or to capture high-value targets of opportunity as they arise, or to keep nothing permanently but merely leave the "slot" open for controlling Death Tyrans/Dracoliches/etc. for short periods of time? If going for opportunity targets, which targets would you prioritize over other targets? E.g. if you have a long-term Ghost you're using as an ethereal scout and possessor, and you hear rumors of a vampire infestation nearby, do you think "kill it" or "capture it"? My motivation for wondering about this question is that I built an area with medusas and a mummy lord in it, and realized upon checking the mummy lord's stats that mummy lords are ideal captures for a necromancer. Sure, you could kill it instead without ever realizing the potential, but doing so is kind of like overlooking a major treasure hoard. So yeah, it's DM dependent, and of course the question isn't about pre-planning which undead you will acquire. That would be absurd in the same way as trying to plan for a fighter to eventually find a Girdle of Storm Giant Strength--if you assume that you'll eventually find one (and you probably won't) and then don't, you'll be up a creek. Finding undead is frankly quite a bit easier in your average D&D game, but finding your ideal undead monster is probably not. (E.g. if you built your whole character concept around finding a mummy lord, and then you met a mummy lord but he had Int 14 instead of 11, you'd be really sad. So don't build the concept around finding a particular undead monster.) But if you don't plan to see opportunities, you might overlook them. [/QUOTE]

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