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<blockquote data-quote="Aberzanzorax" data-source="post: 4833491" data-attributes="member: 64209">This is sad news.&nbsp;However you slice it, I see this as bad news for 4e.&nbsp;&nbsp;In fact, though it is bad news for Necromancer, they still have Pathfinder, and also, as has been pointed out, it is not Clarke's or Bill's main job.&nbsp;But for 4e? No Necromancer. No Green Ronin. No Malhavoc. No Paizo. No Privateer Press. No Paradigm Concepts. Hardly any Mongoose. Margaret Weiss's Dragonlance...nope. Arthaus/sword and sorcery? (I have every 3e ravenloft book.) Nope. Fantasy Flight games? Nope. &nbsp;While there was a lot of schlock, the companies I mentioned above* didn't put out schlock. They were (and are) good, solid companies with good, solid products. A better, well timed GSL could have resulted in much more from all of them.*(with the possible exception of some of the Mongoose stuff since they put out so much...and much was high quality)&nbsp;&nbsp;I own several hundred 3e books. I own 4 4e books.&nbsp; I don't see that ratio changing much. The same sad phenomenon that led to the need for this thread is the reason for this. &nbsp;&nbsp;Also, I'll agree with some others. The market is fragmented. It isn't coming back. WotC would have to become very customer friendly and basically either bend over backwards for inclusion or sell the IP/rights to another company to get it back at this point.&nbsp;&nbsp;I respect you Clark, and I really respect Necromancer products, but I'll also agree with JoeGKushner in regard to the &quot;every edition of D&amp;D&quot; versus 4e comments. Haven't you been stating for about a year or more now that Necromancer wants to support &quot;the current edition of D&amp;D&quot;? That's the one part of what you said that doesn't make sense to me.&nbsp;If Necro is a labor of love rather than a real need to make money, why not just make the products you want to make without concern about distributors? There are options for print on demand, distribution via the web (your site and Paizo's for instance), pdf only products, etc.&nbsp;I guess I don't get why WotC should support every edition but Necro should only support the current one, and it was so important that the company waited until this point (when it has unfortunately become too late) to do so.&nbsp;In any case, I don't mean to put the screws to you too much. I wish you and Necro the best. Also, and this is not a &quot;Go Pathfinder, BOO 4e&quot; comment: Why not capitalize on the good timing of the Pathfinder license? With enough support, distributors might see this as a new phenomenon ready to take off. &nbsp;Good luck to you, and here's hoping that there's many more Necro products coming out soon.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Aberzanzorax, post: 4833491, member: 64209"] This is sad news. However you slice it, I see this as bad news for 4e. In fact, though it is bad news for Necromancer, they still have Pathfinder, and also, as has been pointed out, it is not Clarke's or Bill's main job. But for 4e? No Necromancer. No Green Ronin. No Malhavoc. No Paizo. No Privateer Press. No Paradigm Concepts. Hardly any Mongoose. Margaret Weiss's Dragonlance...nope. Arthaus/sword and sorcery? (I have every 3e ravenloft book.) Nope. Fantasy Flight games? Nope. While there was a lot of schlock, the companies I mentioned above* didn't put out schlock. They were (and are) good, solid companies with good, solid products. A better, well timed GSL could have resulted in much more from all of them. [SIZE=1]*(with the possible exception of some of the Mongoose stuff since they put out so much...and much was high quality)[/SIZE] I own several hundred 3e books. I own 4 4e books. I don't see that ratio changing much. The same sad phenomenon that led to the need for this thread is the reason for this. Also, I'll agree with some others. The market is fragmented. It isn't coming back. WotC would have to become very customer friendly and basically either bend over backwards for inclusion or sell the IP/rights to another company to get it back at this point. I respect you Clark, and I really respect Necromancer products, but I'll also agree with JoeGKushner in regard to the "every edition of D&D" versus 4e comments. Haven't you been stating for about a year or more now that Necromancer wants to support "the current edition of D&D"? That's the one part of what you said that doesn't make sense to me. If Necro is a labor of love rather than a real need to make money, why not just make the products you want to make without concern about distributors? There are options for print on demand, distribution via the web (your site and Paizo's for instance), pdf only products, etc. I guess I don't get why WotC should support every edition but Necro should only support the current one, and it was so important that the company waited until this point (when it has unfortunately become too late) to do so. In any case, I don't mean to put the screws to you too much. I wish you and Necro the best. Also, and this is not a "Go Pathfinder, BOO 4e" comment: Why not capitalize on the good timing of the Pathfinder license? With enough support, distributors might see this as a new phenomenon ready to take off. Good luck to you, and here's hoping that there's many more Necro products coming out soon. [/QUOTE]

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