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<blockquote data-quote="Obryn" data-source="post: 4833872" data-attributes="member: 11821">I think you're missing the mark here.&nbsp; I don't disagree that the 3pp market is very dry - I just think the ball was rolling before 4e was even announced and the GSL issues.Before the 4e announcement, 3pps weren't producing very much for D&amp;D - again, with the exceptions of Goodman and Paizo.&nbsp; Certainly, the print market was minimal at best - Necromancer was already declining, looking at their release schedule.&nbsp; Not much was being sold, either, IIRC, especially if you look at the print market.Two of biggest 3pp's - Mongoose and Green Ronin - had already branched out, seeing the writing on the wall.&nbsp; Mongoose was doing about a half-dozen things at once, while GR was very focused on M&amp;M and True20.&nbsp; Yes, both produced materials for D&amp;D, but I don't know if those paid the bills.Basically, I think the die was cast before the 4e announcement.&nbsp; The GSL fiasco just prevented a hoped-for rebirth of an already-dying market.My two cents...-O</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Obryn, post: 4833872, member: 11821"] I think you're missing the mark here. I don't disagree that the 3pp market is very dry - I just think the ball was rolling before 4e was even announced and the GSL issues. Before the 4e announcement, 3pps weren't producing very much for D&D - again, with the exceptions of Goodman and Paizo. Certainly, the print market was minimal at best - Necromancer was already declining, looking at their release schedule. Not much was being sold, either, IIRC, especially if you look at the print market. Two of biggest 3pp's - Mongoose and Green Ronin - had already branched out, seeing the writing on the wall. Mongoose was doing about a half-dozen things at once, while GR was very focused on M&M and True20. Yes, both produced materials for D&D, but I don't know if those paid the bills. Basically, I think the die was cast before the 4e announcement. The GSL fiasco just prevented a hoped-for [I]rebirth[/I] of an already-dying market. My two cents... -O [/QUOTE]

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