Necromancer Trick

[Cheiromancer]

On page 150 of the PHB it says:

A creature can voluntarily forego a saving throw and willingly accept a spell's result. Even a character with a special resistance to magic (for example, an elf's resistance to sleep effects) can suppress this if he or she wants to.

Suppose an evil cleric is controlling some undead, but has run up to the HD limit. Easy fix- command them to drop their resistance to enchantments, and let the wizard charm them. As long as the wizard remembers to renew the charm at regular intervals the undead will remain cooperative. Not totally controlled, but friendly and cooperative.

 

[Ferret]

...And totall immune to mind effecting enchantments

 

[hammymchamham]

Your wizard friend could use Control Undead (T&B I believe)

 

[Cheiromancer]

Ferret: Elves are immune to sleep spells and effects (PHB 16), but they can lower this immunity if they want. An undead could lower its immunity to charm and compulsion spells. You just have to give it a reason to do so. A commanding cleric might be one such way.

 

[Shard O'Glase]

Ferret: Elves are immune to sleep spells and effects (PHB 16), but they can lower this immunity if they want. An undead could lower its immunity to charm and compulsion spells. You just have to give it a reason to do so. A commanding cleric might be one such way.

I might allow intelligent undead to be charmed(though I doubt it) in this fashion, but unintelligent undead don't have a mind to charm, so I don't think that type of immunity really fits the concept of voluntarty lowering its defenses. Similarly, I don't think a fire elemental could choose to be hurt by fire, its immunity for being a fire subtype shouldn't be able to be dropped.

 

[Croaker]

Is a charm spell strong enough to convince someone to decline a save or SR? "OK, charmed flunky...my spell is about to run out, so don't fight it when I charm you again."

 

[Jondor_Battlehammer]

Perhaps, but they would get a save anyway, for being commanded to do something against their nature.

 

[mzsylver]

Command Undead.

one of the greatest 2nd level spells ever. i recommend chaining it!

 

[Darkness]

Just teach your intelligent undead a couple cleric levels and let them command more undead for you.

(Of course, that requires being a cleric to begin with, given that wizards don't usually get create undead or Rebuke Undead.)

 

[Hypersmurf]

Just teach your intelligent undead a couple cleric levels and let them command more undead for you.

One Controlled wight and a large supply of kobolds. The wight you Control controls any spawn it creates, which control any spawn they create, and your supply increases geometrically until you run out of kobolds.

But careful... that way lies Slaad Farming...

-Hyp.