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<blockquote data-quote="ElectricDragon" data-source="post: 1485322" data-attributes="member: 10778"><p>At first thought, I would say no to allowing the spell to be used through a Message spell via scrying. Finding reasons for my answer is somewhat problematical; but I'll try.</p><p></p><p>The message spell does not state that it can be used for word or sonic attacks. And its low level makes me believe that this was not an oversight. Imagine using scrying and message to send a power word, kill across the world.</p><p></p><p>From the message spell description: "The spell transmits sound, not meaning." In this case, I am taking meaning to be magical effects that rely upon sound to activate. Of course, I realize that this is stretching the definition some.</p><p></p><p>From the scrying spell: "In addition, the following spells have a 5% chance per caster level of operating through the sensor: detect chaos, detect evil, detect good, detect law, detect magic, and message." The whisper spell is not listed as working through the sensor. Yes, the words convey the power of the spell; but the same can be said of all power word spells and all word spells (blasphemy, holy word, word of recall, dictum, and word of chaos) as well as some sonic descriptor spells. Allowing this one spell the ability to travel through a scrying spell or device would set a precedence that will magnify the power of the message spell 10-fold. Leave out the scrying part for a moment. If power words, word spells, and sonic spells can use message for a medium; it will vastly expand the range of most of them to medium (10 feet/level + 100 feet). Increasing the range of power word, kill to that range without the caster being epic level is too powerful IMHO.</p><p></p><p>Adding back in the scrying just increases the range to unlimited.</p><p></p><p>As always, these are just my opinions. In other people's campaigns, this might work. I just have a hard time imagining it.</p><p></p><p>Ciao</p><p>Dave</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ElectricDragon, post: 1485322, member: 10778"] At first thought, I would say no to allowing the spell to be used through a Message spell via scrying. Finding reasons for my answer is somewhat problematical; but I'll try. The message spell does not state that it can be used for word or sonic attacks. And its low level makes me believe that this was not an oversight. Imagine using scrying and message to send a power word, kill across the world. From the message spell description: "The spell transmits sound, not meaning." In this case, I am taking meaning to be magical effects that rely upon sound to activate. Of course, I realize that this is stretching the definition some. From the scrying spell: "In addition, the following spells have a 5% chance per caster level of operating through the sensor: detect chaos, detect evil, detect good, detect law, detect magic, and message." The whisper spell is not listed as working through the sensor. Yes, the words convey the power of the spell; but the same can be said of all power word spells and all word spells (blasphemy, holy word, word of recall, dictum, and word of chaos) as well as some sonic descriptor spells. Allowing this one spell the ability to travel through a scrying spell or device would set a precedence that will magnify the power of the message spell 10-fold. Leave out the scrying part for a moment. If power words, word spells, and sonic spells can use message for a medium; it will vastly expand the range of most of them to medium (10 feet/level + 100 feet). Increasing the range of power word, kill to that range without the caster being epic level is too powerful IMHO. Adding back in the scrying just increases the range to unlimited. As always, these are just my opinions. In other people's campaigns, this might work. I just have a hard time imagining it. Ciao Dave [/QUOTE]
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