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<blockquote data-quote="Rocksome" data-source="post: 7009932" data-attributes="member: 6779629">I'm confused.What's this discussion about Elven Chain proficiency? I wouldn't make Elven Chain a light armor (that comes with all kinds of balance concerns) I'd simply allow Bladesong to work in Elven Chain. Bladesinger was a 2e kit from the Complete Book of Elves (1993),in 2e alone it was well predated by the elven chain (1989). Elven chain was original a special feature for elf wizards it's usefulness to Bladesingers was a happy coincidence.In 2e, Bladesingers used Strength for attack and damage just like anyone else. I don't see how forcing them to be Strength based in this edition is any different. That being said, the only difference between a rapier and a longsword is damage type and the&nbsp; fact that a rapier is finesse while a long sword can be wielded in two hands. Given that bladesong cannot be used two-handed, then if you allow them to use Strength to attack you're basically dropping the versatile feature for the Finesse feature. Honestly, why not just take a rapier and call it an Elven Longsword.Additionally you are forgetting that the 2e Kit fighter/wizard was basically a near full casting progression class (2e level progression meant that multi-class casters were usually only a level or two behind) and was also not really part of any niche. Unlike single class fighters, they had far fewer HPs and a much lower (higher?) Thac0. The current caster based version of the Bladesinger is actually far closer to the original 2e kit, than the 3.5e iteration simply due to the different multi-classing systems.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Rocksome, post: 7009932, member: 6779629"] I'm confused. What's this discussion about Elven Chain proficiency? I wouldn't make Elven Chain a light armor (that comes with all kinds of balance concerns) I'd simply allow Bladesong to work in Elven Chain. Bladesinger was a 2e kit from the Complete Book of Elves (1993),in 2e alone it was well predated by the elven chain (1989). Elven chain was original a special feature for elf wizards it's usefulness to Bladesingers was a happy coincidence. In 2e, Bladesingers used Strength for attack and damage just like anyone else. I don't see how forcing them to be Strength based in this edition is any different. That being said, the only difference between a rapier and a longsword is damage type and the fact that a rapier is finesse while a long sword can be wielded in two hands. Given that bladesong cannot be used two-handed, then if you allow them to use Strength to attack you're basically dropping the versatile feature for the Finesse feature. Honestly, why not just take a rapier and call it an Elven Longsword. Additionally you are forgetting that the 2e Kit fighter/wizard was basically a near full casting progression class (2e level progression meant that multi-class casters were usually only a level or two behind) and was also not really part of any niche. Unlike single class fighters, they had far fewer HPs and a much lower (higher?) Thac0. The current caster based version of the Bladesinger is actually far closer to the original 2e kit, than the 3.5e iteration simply due to the different multi-classing systems. [/QUOTE]

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