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<blockquote data-quote="CapnZapp" data-source="post: 7020600" data-attributes="member: 12731">Problem is - only the Wizard will do for the &quot;real mage&quot; feeling. Check out the spell lists of Sorcerer et al - sure they have Fireball, but they can't fulfil the traditional role of &quot;party mage&quot;. On the other hand, this concept is largely obsolete. Sure you might find a use for [insert favorite Wizard spell here], but generally 5e adventures are way less dependant on &quot;use spell X here or be severely inconvenienced&quot;. 5e simply does not expect a &quot;party mage&quot; in the way many 3e adventures do (especially high level Monte Cook ones). Magic overall is much less a requirement in this edition - the monsters and challenges you can't just brute force your way through are much much less common.So, again - could it be that you're chasing the ghost of editions past...?The Eldritch Knight is definitely supposed to be able to used as a wizardy character (especially with a level of Wizard or ten, so the character can pick up whatever spells she wants). Sure, the EK is a first-rate martial fighter, and so I completely understand a reluctance to &quot;waste&quot; her actions on utility spellcasting... but still.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="CapnZapp, post: 7020600, member: 12731"] Problem is - only the Wizard will do for the "real mage" feeling. Check out the spell lists of Sorcerer et al - sure they have Fireball, but they can't fulfil the traditional role of "party mage". On the other hand, this concept is largely obsolete. Sure you might find a use for [insert favorite Wizard spell here], but generally 5e adventures are way less dependant on "use spell X here or be severely inconvenienced". 5e simply does not expect a "party mage" in the way many 3e adventures do (especially high level Monte Cook ones). Magic overall is much less a requirement in this edition - the monsters and challenges you can't just brute force your way through are much much less common. So, again - could it be that you're chasing the ghost of editions past...? The Eldritch Knight is definitely supposed to be able to used as a wizardy character (especially with a level of Wizard or ten, so the character can pick up whatever spells she wants). Sure, the EK is a first-rate martial fighter, and so I completely understand a reluctance to "waste" her actions on utility spellcasting... but still. [/QUOTE]

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