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<blockquote data-quote="Deadmanshand" data-source="post: 8999459" data-attributes="member: 7038745"><p>Can you explain your interpretation here? Because a RAW reading to me does not lead to the same conclusion. Devoted Assault on a crit allows the use of another Tempered Iron maneuver that is activated by an action or bonus action. There is no mention of additional actions similar to other maneuvers such as Furious Barrage.</p><p>So people are then assuming from the wording of the inserted Tempered Iron maneuver(s) Striding Swings, Stunning Assault or Dispelling Assault. That wording being “When you activate this technique, you take the Attack action and make a weapon attack, as well as any additional attacks granted by Extra Attack.” I believe this wording applies to any remaining attacks from extra attack, but does not trigger a new suite of attacks. The wording is possibly problematic, but if we see the rules on maneuvers I think it can be cleared up.</p><p></p><p>“Using a combat maneuver requires spending one or more exertion points and either a bonus action, reaction, or action.” So to use the maneuver in the first place, you must have an action available to you. Since the attack action was chosen and the action was used for Devoted Assault, there isn’t a “new” action that can be used for the bonus Tempered Iron maneuver. But since the crit from Devoted Assault gifts you the use of a Tempered Iron maneuver it must follow that the maneuver can only be used with the remaining extra attack(s) from the original attack.</p><p></p><p>Edit: to simplify that confusing mess I wrote, maneuvers do not trigger actions; actions trigger maneuvers.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Deadmanshand, post: 8999459, member: 7038745"] Can you explain your interpretation here? Because a RAW reading to me does not lead to the same conclusion. Devoted Assault on a crit allows the use of another Tempered Iron maneuver that is activated by an action or bonus action. There is no mention of additional actions similar to other maneuvers such as Furious Barrage. So people are then assuming from the wording of the inserted Tempered Iron maneuver(s) Striding Swings, Stunning Assault or Dispelling Assault. That wording being “When you activate this technique, you take the Attack action and make a weapon attack, as well as any additional attacks granted by Extra Attack.” I believe this wording applies to any remaining attacks from extra attack, but does not trigger a new suite of attacks. The wording is possibly problematic, but if we see the rules on maneuvers I think it can be cleared up. “Using a combat maneuver requires spending one or more exertion points and either a bonus action, reaction, or action.” So to use the maneuver in the first place, you must have an action available to you. Since the attack action was chosen and the action was used for Devoted Assault, there isn’t a “new” action that can be used for the bonus Tempered Iron maneuver. But since the crit from Devoted Assault gifts you the use of a Tempered Iron maneuver it must follow that the maneuver can only be used with the remaining extra attack(s) from the original attack. Edit: to simplify that confusing mess I wrote, maneuvers do not trigger actions; actions trigger maneuvers. [/QUOTE]
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