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<blockquote data-quote="lichmaster" data-source="post: 8999896" data-attributes="member: 6683330"><p>I see your point, but I don't think the wording of the maneuver is specific enough to grant an <em>additional</em> action on top of any previously taken action without any further qualifications.</p><p></p><p>I do agree with this reading, overall. I just don't think that the wording is precise enough to warrant additional attack actions on each crit, even if restricted to the ones given by Devoted Assault. The main reason is that there may be combinations that allow for an infinite (or in any case stupidly high) number of attacks. I'm not trying to artificially put a cap on the number of attacks with some arbitrary rule, but I'm trying to have a consistent approach on the action economy side.</p><p></p><p>I already made the example of the Warrior Monk. Even with your more stringent interpretation, which is still looser than mine in this regard, the WM may be able to perform 3 attack actions + 1 bonus attack (which would of course be a flurry of blows). If before the devoted assault he manages to stun the target, every single attack will be made with advantage and automatically crit. That's 11 attacks, and with each attack, on top of scoring a crit, the WM will also regain exertion at a faster pace than he's able to spend it upon.</p><p></p><p>Another example: furious criticals, specifically relentless attack. If the target gets stunned before, by using dazzling prowess for example, all following attacks will auto crit. So then when using Devoted assault, each attack will be a crit, triggering the attacks from furious critical, and then the further attacks from the maneuver, which would also be crits. Put that on a dual wielding berserker, and see how broken this combination is.</p><p></p><p>Ultimately, every table should play the game that is most fun for them. At mine, until there's a clarification from the designers, I wouldn't have the additional maneuvers trigger separate attack actions.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="lichmaster, post: 8999896, member: 6683330"] I see your point, but I don't think the wording of the maneuver is specific enough to grant an [I]additional[/I] action on top of any previously taken action without any further qualifications. I do agree with this reading, overall. I just don't think that the wording is precise enough to warrant additional attack actions on each crit, even if restricted to the ones given by Devoted Assault. The main reason is that there may be combinations that allow for an infinite (or in any case stupidly high) number of attacks. I'm not trying to artificially put a cap on the number of attacks with some arbitrary rule, but I'm trying to have a consistent approach on the action economy side. I already made the example of the Warrior Monk. Even with your more stringent interpretation, which is still looser than mine in this regard, the WM may be able to perform 3 attack actions + 1 bonus attack (which would of course be a flurry of blows). If before the devoted assault he manages to stun the target, every single attack will be made with advantage and automatically crit. That's 11 attacks, and with each attack, on top of scoring a crit, the WM will also regain exertion at a faster pace than he's able to spend it upon. Another example: furious criticals, specifically relentless attack. If the target gets stunned before, by using dazzling prowess for example, all following attacks will auto crit. So then when using Devoted assault, each attack will be a crit, triggering the attacks from furious critical, and then the further attacks from the maneuver, which would also be crits. Put that on a dual wielding berserker, and see how broken this combination is. Ultimately, every table should play the game that is most fun for them. At mine, until there's a clarification from the designers, I wouldn't have the additional maneuvers trigger separate attack actions. [/QUOTE]
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