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<blockquote data-quote="gamerprinter" data-source="post: 6275302" data-attributes="member: 50895"><p>1. Agreed, and I don't know Paragon Surge off-hand. If you can make a half-race work somehow, great, though maybe go pure sen'garak...?</p><p>2&3. If you look at the Mushakemono racial paragon I posted, its kind of based on a cross between rogue and ranger, instead of rogue/ranger tricks, it got henge tricks - since henge are natural shapechangers, a lot of their abilities are tied to that. So you could build your class off an existing one, but replace all the abilities. So you could start with rogue or monk as a base. If you really want Sneak Attack, then looking at the rogue as the way to go. I'd also look at a build off monk as an option as well.</p><p></p><p>Another reason to base it off monk, is when I said <em>spider walk</em> - I meant <a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/spider-step" target="_blank"><strong>spider step</strong></a>, a feat for monks from the APG, which allows monks to run up verticle faces, or upside down for up to their slow fall distance in movement, as long as you end upright on surface you can normally stand on, at the end of movement. <a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/cloud-step" target="_blank"><strong>Cloud step</strong></a> is next up that feat tree, that allows you to air walk the distance of your slow fall... So keep some of the monks abilities, but replace as you can with different abilities favoring poison use, climbing, web tricks, and acrobatics. I don't think you need sneak attack, but that's up to you.</p><p></p><p>4. Another Rite Publishing racial supplement (actually 2) In the Company of Minotaur (and In the Company of Monsters which is compilation of 7 or so different races, features the minotaur. So the Minotaur racial paragon class is a 20 level class. A standard minotaur is 4 HD, so the 4th level minotaur racial paragon class is identical to the bestiary minotaur. 1-3 are slightly weaker, 5+ progressively stronger. I cannot point to a version of this posted online, because it isn't there. However, the minotaur racial paragon class gets improvements to charge abilities, permanently grows in size up to huge at 20th, and gets more STR bonuses as he levels.</p><p></p><p>You have to play it by ear, but the above is best process I can recommend to build your own 20 level racial paragon class. Try to compare the power levels of your chosen abilities to those that you are replacing - it doesn't have to match the spirit of the replaced class feature, but be as close as possible in equivalent balance of power.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="gamerprinter, post: 6275302, member: 50895"] 1. Agreed, and I don't know Paragon Surge off-hand. If you can make a half-race work somehow, great, though maybe go pure sen'garak...? 2&3. If you look at the Mushakemono racial paragon I posted, its kind of based on a cross between rogue and ranger, instead of rogue/ranger tricks, it got henge tricks - since henge are natural shapechangers, a lot of their abilities are tied to that. So you could build your class off an existing one, but replace all the abilities. So you could start with rogue or monk as a base. If you really want Sneak Attack, then looking at the rogue as the way to go. I'd also look at a build off monk as an option as well. Another reason to base it off monk, is when I said [I]spider walk[/I] - I meant [URL="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/spider-step"][B]spider step[/B][/URL], a feat for monks from the APG, which allows monks to run up verticle faces, or upside down for up to their slow fall distance in movement, as long as you end upright on surface you can normally stand on, at the end of movement. [URL="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/cloud-step"][B]Cloud step[/B][/URL] is next up that feat tree, that allows you to air walk the distance of your slow fall... So keep some of the monks abilities, but replace as you can with different abilities favoring poison use, climbing, web tricks, and acrobatics. I don't think you need sneak attack, but that's up to you. 4. Another Rite Publishing racial supplement (actually 2) In the Company of Minotaur (and In the Company of Monsters which is compilation of 7 or so different races, features the minotaur. So the Minotaur racial paragon class is a 20 level class. A standard minotaur is 4 HD, so the 4th level minotaur racial paragon class is identical to the bestiary minotaur. 1-3 are slightly weaker, 5+ progressively stronger. I cannot point to a version of this posted online, because it isn't there. However, the minotaur racial paragon class gets improvements to charge abilities, permanently grows in size up to huge at 20th, and gets more STR bonuses as he levels. You have to play it by ear, but the above is best process I can recommend to build your own 20 level racial paragon class. Try to compare the power levels of your chosen abilities to those that you are replacing - it doesn't have to match the spirit of the replaced class feature, but be as close as possible in equivalent balance of power. [/QUOTE]
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