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Message: <blockquote data-quote="HighTemplar" data-source="post: 4502295" data-attributes="member: 77594">I understand what you DM tried to do. Lemme summarize it for you: He set up your team against 12 one lvl higher large brutesHe gave them plate armors (+8ac)He gave them better weaponsHe gave them an additionnal daily power that hurts and is reliableHe gave them additionnal HPSo when your team tried to run, they chased you down.He also used tactics with the marking thing. Obviously your DM KNEW he was putting you guys up for a huge fightObviously he also knew that if you survived this fight, it would cost you a ton of ressources. Looking at this it seems to me that you were meant to run. You guys seem to have tried, but maybe you didn't try enough? No 5 player party could have won this battle. Storywise, your party fell on a very solid bunch, much stronger than you guy were. Perhaps he just wanted to test your party's limit, which can be very frustrating for the PCs, but nothing forbids a DM put a nigh-impossible encounter. Seems like you guys did great afterall. The way he added 1 class lvl dosent just grand a +1 lvl adjustment on the monsters stats, in fact noone knows what their equivalent level is, so if your dm is following the standard way of granting exp I guess you're gonna have to rely on his judgement to determine their lvl equivalency. EDIT: forgot my point: Seems like your DM was trying to tell you guys that those brutes wen't just some bad guys you could stumble upon and beat them to death, but more like a very elite guard or whatever their purpose was. If you guys still think that you need to get rid of them(if you really need that) my guess is that you're gonna need a very solid attack plan, or just help. He might not have followed the rules, templates or second wind rules, but all that amounts to the same as putting you guys facing 12 lvl 10+x elite monsters. Maybe these guys are just put there so your party understands that some place is out of reach just yet. Just tell him that your pals in the 4e dnd forums suggested for game balance and clearness issues that he follow the rules for adding templates or that he'd just put stronger monsters next time instead of turning what should be average ones into real monsters.(better not go out too strong to your DM with what you've heard in this forum or he's just going to throw everything you bring from here to the trash.)</blockquote>

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