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<blockquote data-quote="Grogtar" data-source="post: 4503565" data-attributes="member: 28076">Yup, this is about right. I spoke to him, and he said &quot;Yeah, Im surprised you survived, I did not want you going that way&quot;He was unapologetic about the class levels, &quot;Story over Mechanics&quot; he said. I gently suggested he try some of the pre-gen'd encounter groups (specificaly the EL7 Gnoll group on MM133) and he flat out refused, saying he would never use pre generated monster encounters.&nbsp;In his defense, he did say we will probably find out why those guys were so hard.&nbsp;I told him there might be better ways to discourage people from going one direction. A portcullis was what I suggested. Put 4 guys with spears behind it and done (You can tell from the sounds (Thiefcraft 20, Dungeoneering 15) that there is a heavy weighting mechanism on top. You'll need a seige ram to batter it down).&nbsp;We did retreat back, but when his bad guys chased us we got confused. If we are meant to retreat then dont chase us! The chase signifies that they wont just let us leave. Which means its either stand and fight or run and fight, and standing was a better tactical option.&nbsp;Hopefully it will get better, we'll see &lt;sigh&gt;.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Grogtar, post: 4503565, member: 28076"] Yup, this is about right. I spoke to him, and he said "Yeah, Im surprised you survived, I did not want you going that way" He was unapologetic about the class levels, "Story over Mechanics" he said. I gently suggested he try some of the pre-gen'd encounter groups (specificaly the EL7 Gnoll group on MM133) and he flat out refused, saying he would never use pre generated monster encounters. In his defense, he did say we will probably find out why those guys were so hard. I told him there might be better ways to discourage people from going one direction. A portcullis was what I suggested. Put 4 guys with spears behind it and done (You can tell from the sounds (Thiefcraft 20, Dungeoneering 15) that there is a heavy weighting mechanism on top. You'll need a seige ram to batter it down). We did retreat back, but when his bad guys chased us we got confused. If we are meant to retreat then dont chase us! The chase signifies that they wont just let us leave. Which means its either stand and fight or run and fight, and standing was a better tactical option. Hopefully it will get better, we'll see <sigh>. [/QUOTE]

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