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Message: <blockquote data-quote="haakon1" data-source="post: 3286548" data-attributes="member: 25619">The party is 8 characters, 5th-7th level: cleric 5, druid 5(the one drained), fighter 7, monk 7, ranger 3/rogue 3, wizard 5, wizard 4/sor 1, and wiz 4/fighter 1.They decided to attack the undead.  They knew they were there, but didn't know their number or type.  They decided to attack at night, and to not turn them, because they know they only come out at night, and they wanted to kill them rather than chase them around the surrounding forest.Basically, the party was getting cocky.  But only a little cocky.  I thought they'd win with some minor Strength draining that would heal in a few days, and so did they.I don't think 8 CR3 monsters for 8 5th-7th level characters is at all an unfair challenge.  The cleric is 5th level, so with +2 Turn Resistance, it's a straight up equal level turning situation.  He just hasn't tried to turn them yet.  Currently, they've killed 5 of the 8 shadows, in 3 rounds of combat.As an aside: Frankly, I wouldn't care if it was a properly WOTC approved challenge for the party at this level or not.  The challenge was there, and the PC's decided to go after it.  I don't run a world with safety helmets for everybody . . . if a 1st level character decides to a rob a dragon's cave, good luck to him.  It's POSSIBLE he might live and have a very exciting adventure sneaking out or bluffing somehow . . . just not very likely.The character who got drained is a druid.  He attacked the shadow to save one of the party's two mages.  He didn't have Mage Armor, but it wouldn't have mattered what he had, since I rolled two natch 20's in a row.  Sometimes your luck is so bad, preparation or lack of it really doesn't matter . . . The mages are using Mage Armor, and have been firing repeated salvos of Magic Missiles, which is a big help in the Shadow destruction they've been doing.  The party as a whole is in no danger, but one character is going down.I really don't think I'm screwing anybody, just playing the game.  I don't think the players are doing a bad job either -- they're just playing their characters and got unlucky.</blockquote>

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