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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Steve Conan Trustrum" data-source="post: 2666996" data-attributes="member: 1620">So none of the publishers helped EnWorld when it was in financial problems? None donated products and money during fund raisers and the like? Come on, Morrus. Portraying the publishers around here as self-serving is entirely repainting history. YOU made it possible for them to post their press releases here. They didn't come to you and demand it. Doing that helped build up EnWorld into the site it is today instead of just another of the many d20 messageboard crowd. Do you honestly think this site would have grown for Eric if the publishers hadn't been around here, let alone for you? Do you think you'd have as many members here, as opposed to countless other d20 sites, if those members didn't know that they would have the chance to talk to so many publishers and the like? While I respect your ability to do with your site as you will, trying to obfuscate your intentions by altering the facts of how this site came to be what it is rather than fading into the background like so many others is not a direction you really want to go down if you want the publishers involved to begin addressing it.No we absolutely are not. A press release is not an ad. An interactive discussion forum is not an ad. Yes, it offers great promotional opportunities, many of which overlap with those of an ad, but they are not ads. The banner space myself or others can pay for on your site is an ad. When I announce a product to Gamingreport.com I am not placing an ad with them.Promotion =/= ad in all cases. If it did, you wouldn't also be selling ad space at EnWorld, would you?Yes, they can indeed get benefit from EnWorld. However, I think you really need to take a long, hard look at the hypocricy of your actions.Let's consider a talk I had with you several months ago after a certain rant you posted on your front page. In your response, you essentially broke down your rebutal to "look, Steve and everyone else, EnWorld is an impartial news site. I may have ties to EN Publishing but the two companies are different and I don't mix them." Fine, we'll take you at your word. More recently, you refuse to remove a post from a publisher who broke confidence with a clearly confidential medium wherein that person and many of his peers were discussing a rather important matter for their various companies in private by going public with it, thereby putting at risk the businesses of those peers. You refused to remove it following the claim that EnWorld is a non-partisan news site and that, because the situation was news and that EnWolrd doesn't take sides, you would let it stand. Now you're clearly using EnWorld, the news site, in partisan affiiliation with a business, the scope of which is well beyond that of mere news. The much vaunted non-partisan stance of EnWorld has not only been compromised but it has been tossed entirely out the window.Now, if this is the rule you want to operate under then fine, I'll readily comply because it's your board to run as you see fit and I wouldn't dispute that--as soon as I saw the announcement I removed the links from my sig. However, please don't play us all for dullards who can't recognize the hypocricy within this aciton. Don't tell us how generous you've been for letting us post links this far and how much you've been benefiting us when you know as well as we publishers that it's been a two way road where the precense of some of the publishers (obviously some more than others--I've no delusions about how little Misfit Studios' presence has meant to EnWorld's popularity) has done more for your site's growth than just about anything else. Pretending that the truth is anything else is adding unnecessary insult to injury and is not only beneath you but beneath the publishers whose role in this site's history you belittle with such comments.</blockquote>

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