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<blockquote data-quote="Jeff Wilder" data-source="post: 4724653" data-attributes="member: 5122"><p>I don't understand. Are you (implicitly) claiming:</p><p></p><p>(1) That a ranged attack does not provoke an AoO? Or,</p><p></p><p>(2) That a ranged attack only provokes an AoO when performed as a standard action (per the table)?</p><p></p><p>Note that the consequence of argument 2 is that, somehow, a ranged attack as a full attack does not provoke an AoO. (The table, after all, does not say it does. The "Full Actions" table specifically says, in fact, that full attacks <em>do not</em> provoke AoOs, without any exception for ranged full attacks.)</p><p></p><p>If that is the way you play and the way you believe the rules are to be read, I concede that under that interpretation, you're correct. (EDIT: Under the SRD, which is all I have access to right now. Vegepygmy quoted rules below, from the PH, invalidating your position.)</p><p></p><p>But I believe that interpretation is clearly absurd.</p><p></p><p>A ranged attack provokes an AoO, per the Standard Actions table. In order for the rules to make sense -- i.e., in order for a ranged attack to provoke an AoO as part of a full attack action -- the action "ranged attack" must be generalized to provoke an AoO, regardless of the type of action.</p><p></p><p>No. The first AoO is for the spellcasting, and can interrupt the spellcasting. The second AoO is for the ranged attack, which is made after the spell has been cast.</p><p></p><p>People keep talking about how the attack is "part of a touch spell," while ignoring the fact that those rules apply to spells with a <em>range</em> of touch, and ranged touch attack spells, by definition, have a range other than "touch."</p><p></p><p>Correct. And "making a ranged attack" is one of those actions.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jeff Wilder, post: 4724653, member: 5122"] I don't understand. Are you (implicitly) claiming: (1) That a ranged attack does not provoke an AoO? Or, (2) That a ranged attack only provokes an AoO when performed as a standard action (per the table)? Note that the consequence of argument 2 is that, somehow, a ranged attack as a full attack does not provoke an AoO. (The table, after all, does not say it does. The "Full Actions" table specifically says, in fact, that full attacks [I]do not[/I] provoke AoOs, without any exception for ranged full attacks.) If that is the way you play and the way you believe the rules are to be read, I concede that under that interpretation, you're correct. (EDIT: Under the SRD, which is all I have access to right now. Vegepygmy quoted rules below, from the PH, invalidating your position.) But I believe that interpretation is clearly absurd. A ranged attack provokes an AoO, per the Standard Actions table. In order for the rules to make sense -- i.e., in order for a ranged attack to provoke an AoO as part of a full attack action -- the action "ranged attack" must be generalized to provoke an AoO, regardless of the type of action. No. The first AoO is for the spellcasting, and can interrupt the spellcasting. The second AoO is for the ranged attack, which is made after the spell has been cast. People keep talking about how the attack is "part of a touch spell," while ignoring the fact that those rules apply to spells with a [I]range[/I] of touch, and ranged touch attack spells, by definition, have a range other than "touch." Correct. And "making a ranged attack" is one of those actions. [/QUOTE]
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