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<blockquote data-quote="Jeff Wilder" data-source="post: 4724762" data-attributes="member: 5122">You aren't aware that there are attacks in the rules that aren't &quot;actions&quot; (in the rules sense)?Scorching ray: &quot;Each ray requires a ranged touch attack to hit and deals 4d6 points of fire damage.&quot;Ranged touch attack.&nbsp; Not &quot;attack roll&quot; (which is a silly distinction anyway), but ranged touch attack.No, I'm saying that making a ranged attack provokes an AoO because it is one of the actions (in the English language usage of that word) that provokes an AoO.The problem is that you are neither quoting me correctly, nor paraphrasing me correctly.&nbsp; I assume it's not deliberate, but rather that you don't understand the argument.Yes.&nbsp; Which has nothing to do with whether it is a free, swift, immediate, move, standard, or full action, or even not an action at all, except in the English sense of the word.It also has nothing to do with the &quot;steps.&quot;&nbsp; Making a ranged attack provokes an AoO.Scorching ray: &quot;Each ray requires a ranged touch attack to hit and deals 4d6 points of fire damage.&quot;As far as the core rules go, there's no way to make a ranged attack without provoking an AoO from threatening enemies.&nbsp; An attack with a bow is a ranged attack.&nbsp; An attack with a scorching ray is a ranged attack.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Jeff Wilder, post: 4724762, member: 5122"] You aren't aware that there are attacks in the rules that aren't "actions" (in the rules sense)? [I]Scorching ray[/I]: "Each ray requires a ranged touch attack to hit and deals 4d6 points of fire damage." Ranged touch attack. Not "attack roll" (which is a silly distinction anyway), but ranged touch attack. No, I'm saying that making a ranged attack provokes an AoO because it is one of the actions (in the English language usage of that word) that provokes an AoO. The problem is that you are neither quoting me correctly, nor paraphrasing me correctly. I assume it's not deliberate, but rather that you don't understand the argument. Yes. Which has nothing to do with whether it is a free, swift, immediate, move, standard, or full action, or even not an action at all, except in the English sense of the word. It also has nothing to do with the "steps." Making a ranged attack provokes an AoO. [i]Scorching ray[/I]: "Each ray [B]requires[/B] a ranged touch attack to hit and deals 4d6 points of fire damage." As far as the core rules go, there's no way to make a ranged attack without provoking an AoO from threatening enemies. An attack with a bow is a ranged attack. An attack with a [I]scorching ray[/I] is a ranged attack. [/QUOTE]

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