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<blockquote data-quote="cmanos" data-source="post: 2226324" data-attributes="member: 25472">Last time I checked a L19 druid could only wild shape into a Huge creature with 19 HD.&nbsp; That would put a gold dragon at Young Adult - Mature Adult for Size, but Juvenile for HD.&nbsp; Therefore the restriction is Juvenile.&nbsp; Thats an AC of 25....remember....if the druid has any kind of magi effect that gives natural armor...it doesn't stack with the dragon's natural armor.&nbsp; Also, last i knew, armor didn't change with you, so he wouldn't have an armor or shield bonus unless he has certain feats.So as I see it....he CAN'T wildshape into a Collossal Gold DragonOh wait...you said Shapechange...as in the spell. for referenceso again..... Cannot have more hit dice than the caster...19.Collossal Gold Dragons....would make it a Wyrm with a base of 38HD.19HD puts you back at Juvenile.Sounds like your player may have missed reading that line in the spell.&nbsp; Oldest gold he can shapechange into is Juvenile with an AC of 25.&nbsp; Makes him a Large Creature...not Collossal.&nbsp; So unless he's got a +29AC normally...&nbsp; Remember, natural armor bonuses don't stack.If he still wants to do it, have a gold dragon show up and inform him that he is causing a lot of uproar and he is to cease and desist his shapechanging into a gold dragon immediately.If that doesn't work, have a party of 8 20th level evil dragon-hunters show up wanting to slay the dragon and take it's horde.Also, I'd argue that seeing a gold dragon once does not make one familiar with gold dragons....</blockquote>

[QUOTE="cmanos, post: 2226324, member: 25472"] Last time I checked a L19 druid could only wild shape into a Huge creature with 19 HD. That would put a gold dragon at Young Adult - Mature Adult for Size, but Juvenile for HD. Therefore the restriction is Juvenile. Thats an AC of 25.... remember....if the druid has any kind of magi effect that gives natural armor...it doesn't stack with the dragon's natural armor. Also, last i knew, armor didn't change with you, so he wouldn't have an armor or shield bonus unless he has certain feats. So as I see it....he CAN'T wildshape into a Collossal Gold Dragon Oh wait...you said Shapechange...as in the spell. for reference so again..... Cannot have more hit dice than the caster...19. Collossal Gold Dragons....would make it a Wyrm with a base of 38HD. 19HD puts you back at Juvenile. Sounds like your player may have missed reading that line in the spell. Oldest gold he can shapechange into is Juvenile with an AC of 25. Makes him a Large Creature...not Collossal. So unless he's got a +29AC normally... Remember, natural armor bonuses don't stack. If he still wants to do it, have a gold dragon show up and inform him that he is causing a lot of uproar and he is to cease and desist his shapechanging into a gold dragon immediately. If that doesn't work, have a party of 8 20th level evil dragon-hunters show up wanting to slay the dragon and take it's horde. Also, I'd argue that seeing a gold dragon once does not make one familiar with gold dragons.... [/QUOTE]

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