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<blockquote data-quote="Cap'n Kobold" data-source="post: 7398711" data-attributes="member: 6802951">I was suggesting both gaining proficiency in Athletics and also doubling the proficiency bonus. (You wanted Wukong to be good at climbing and swimming, so I initially thought about just doubling prof bonus for those activities. But Sun Wukong was more renowned for his speed and great leaps. Once you're thinking about granting bonuses for so many aspects of Athletics, its easier to just give a flat bonus to it all. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> )&nbsp; Wukong don't strike me as inherently perceptive. But tumbling and balancing sound like things that they would be naturally capable at.&nbsp;I suggest removing this if you're already getting expertise in Athletics above.&nbsp;This is pretty powerful: its the biggest bonus of another race already.&nbsp;I'm still not entirely sure why the Wukong get this. Doesn't seem to fit with their attitude or ancestry.&nbsp;Likewise. Sun Wukong hid by changing shape rather than being naturally stealthy.&nbsp;Is that document what your table uses to balance races?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Cap'n Kobold, post: 7398711, member: 6802951"] I was suggesting both gaining proficiency in Athletics and also doubling the proficiency bonus. (You wanted Wukong to be good at climbing and swimming, so I initially thought about just doubling prof bonus for those activities. But Sun Wukong was more renowned for his speed and great leaps. Once you're thinking about granting bonuses for so many aspects of Athletics, its easier to just give a flat bonus to it all. ;) ) Wukong don't strike me as inherently perceptive. But tumbling and balancing sound like things that they would be naturally capable at. I suggest removing this if you're already getting expertise in Athletics above. This is pretty powerful: its the biggest bonus of another race already. I'm still not entirely sure why the Wukong get this. Doesn't seem to fit with their attitude or ancestry. Likewise. Sun Wukong hid by changing shape rather than being naturally stealthy. Is that document what your table uses to balance races? [/QUOTE]

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