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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Aluvial" data-source="post: 1674408" data-attributes="member: 6862">I have been really displeased with the new versions of the Charm Person, Charm Monster, Suggestion, Domination spells.   Essentially I don't like the fact that the spells allow a creature an out every time "he acts in a manner he is not accustomed too."  Basically isn't that the point of these spells.   I would like to redesign the spells based on there spell level, keep in mind psionics, and have a way to ultimately dominate someone against there own will, to the point of killing one's own mother (or yourself) if told too.   I know the mechanics need to step up as they go along, meaning as the spell level increases, so do the effects of the charm.   What I need help with is designing the levels so that they work correctly, are fair to both PC's and NPC's/monsters, and so that a charmed creature is charmed, not just given a better attitude (although maybe that is all a 1st level spell/power should be able to do).   Any suggestions on how to start? Aluvial</blockquote>